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The 3,000-Mile Oil Change Is Pretty Much History
New York Times ^ | 10 September 2010 | By ALINA TUGEND

Posted on 09/17/2010 12:02:53 PM PDT by Vigilanteman

I STILL remember learning from my father how to carefully remove a dipstick to check the oil level in our cars. It was drilled into me — along with turning off the lights when you left a room and clearing the plates off the table after dinner — that oil needs to be changed every 3,000 miles or so.

Kieron Kohlmann changing the oil in a 2007 Dodge Charger in Union Grove, Wis. Changing the oil every 3,000 miles is no longer a good guideline for cars bought in the last seven or eight years, says Philip Reed of the car site Edmunds.com.

I’m not sure what I thought would happen if I didn’t, but I vaguely imagined an unlubricated engine grinding to a halt.

Childhood habits are hard to undo, and that’s often good. To this day, I hate seeing an empty room with the lights on.

But sometimes, we need to throw aside our parents’ good advice. In March, for example, I wrote about how we should relearn the dishwasher and laundry soap habits we inherited from our mothers.

Add frequent oil-changing to that list.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: California
KEYWORDS: automotive; environment; green; nytimes; oil; oilchanges
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To: Red Badger

“I change my oil religiously...........every 50,000 miles.......or so.............”

Whether it needs it or not, right??? 8-)


61 posted on 09/17/2010 1:38:54 PM PDT by RacerXSpeedRacer (Vote CONSERVATIVE!!!!)
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To: Red6

I’ve been doing 25,000 mile oil changes since 1972. 12,500 mile filter changes until a couple of years ago, now 25,000 mile filter changes too.

I’ve driven over 2 million miles using this proven techology.

The most miles on a vehicle was a 1997 Saturn SL1. I put 479,000 miles on it with 35,000 mile oil changes. (Amsoil 0W-30 and Amsoil filters.)

Most of my vehicles have gotten better MPG than with petroleum oil.

Presently I have an ‘08 Grand Cherokee, ‘06 Ford Focus, ‘05 Rokon Trailbreaker, ‘97 Discovery, ‘83 Mercedes 300D, ‘73 Land Rover Lightweight, ‘66 Mercedes Benz Unimog and a ‘73 Grumman motorhome.

All have Amsoil throughout with oil changed at 25,000 miles or once per year.

This 100% synthetic oil is made in America, and has been PROVEN since 1972.


62 posted on 09/17/2010 1:39:29 PM PDT by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Places like chevy dealerships make it worth it to go every 3,000 by offering oil change, fluid checks, and full inspections and tire rotation for $59.00.


63 posted on 09/17/2010 1:39:59 PM PDT by jetson
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To: RacerXSpeedRacer

Exactly!..........Most cars I have had lost oil faster than that................


64 posted on 09/17/2010 1:46:20 PM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him in his MY FAVES.............)
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To: Vigilanteman

Just change it when you the oil is getting too dark to see the stick when the engine and the oil are warm. Otherwise, the oil still has plenty of capacity to absorb dirt, esp with the close tolerances that modern engines are built with. Doing that test when the engine and oil are cold will look a lot dirtier because the oil will be thicker on the stick, so I always looked at it when it was warm. That’s what I did with a little Mitsubishi truck with a 2.0L 4-banger using Mobil 1 and got 300,000 miles out of it.

That did turn out to be ~ 5,000 miles, btw. Sometimes a little more if I did a lot of highway driving in the summer or a little less if it was a lot of short trips around town in the winter; but that was my gauge.


65 posted on 09/17/2010 1:46:42 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: Vigilanteman

I stick with 3000 miles. I also run full synthetic oil as well. Oil is much cheaper than the hassles and cost of a new engine !


66 posted on 09/17/2010 1:50:50 PM PDT by CORedneck
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To: jetson
chevy dealerships make it worth it to go every 3,000 by offering oil change, fluid checks, and full inspections and tire rotation for $59.00.

I commute over 1000 miles a week. At that rate, actually about 70,000 miles a year, 70,000/3000=23. 23 X 59 = $1357.

I presently spend about $140 with 2 Amsoil changes in that period and get about 2 MPG better with my Focus than it "should" get. Plus all the time saved.

67 posted on 09/17/2010 1:51:21 PM PDT by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: ridesthemiles

225k on our 97 Escort and almost up to 200k on my 94 Golf.

same deal- change oil every 3-5k.


68 posted on 09/17/2010 1:54:54 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: RacerXSpeedRacer; Red Badger

““I change my oil religiously...........every 50,000 miles.......or so.............” / Whether it needs it or not, right??? 8-)”

I drive a clunker. I don’t change oil, just add it.

Actually, knew a guy who loved surfing. In the 60s, in southern California, he had a clunker that burned oil so bad that he put a funnel on the dash...got jugs of old oil from the service stations, and just added some on the way to the beach each day.

I also once owned a motorcycle that leaked so bad I put an oil pan under it each night and put the oil back in each morning. Gotta love a $150 motorcycle.


69 posted on 09/17/2010 2:03:09 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: Mogger
I commute over 1000 miles a week. At that rate, actually about 70,000 miles a year, 70,000/3000=23. 23 X 59 = $1357.

Now thats allot of miles. In your case it ain't worth it. I drive a 3/4 ton 4x4 with about 10 to 20,000 a year.

70 posted on 09/17/2010 2:03:50 PM PDT by jetson
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To: Mr Rogers
"I drive a clunker. I don’t change oil, just add it."

Had a guy stop by the service station one day cause his oil light came on. The oil looked like grease. We asked him "When was the last time you changed the oil?" "Change it?", he says, "I don't change it, I just add oil when it needs some."

He had 96,000 miles on that car, as I remember, before it died (and it was dead).

I remember how amazed I was that it made it that far.

71 posted on 09/17/2010 2:11:32 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: Obadiah

wanna bet Alina thinks ethanol is the bee’s knees?


72 posted on 09/17/2010 2:31:34 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: ridesthemiles
Oil gets changed at 3,000 or less. Oil & Air filters also. Cheapest thing I can do to get a very long life out of my vehicles. Auto parts store takes used oil.

Bingo !

73 posted on 09/17/2010 2:40:33 PM PDT by jimt
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To: Vigilanteman

Just follow your owner’s manual. The OEMs know what they’re talking about. The NYT doesn’t.


74 posted on 09/17/2010 3:00:39 PM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (First the good news - you're going to get a disease named after you.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Just follow your owner’s manual. The OEMs know what they’re talking about. The NYT doesn’t.


75 posted on 09/17/2010 3:00:59 PM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (First the good news - you're going to get a disease named after you.)
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To: nascarnation

Thanks for the clarification on the method employed by the oil sensor.

Either way, I was mildly surprised it was a feature that Saturn included. It was something I expected of many cars with much better reputations than Saturn, but not Saturn.


76 posted on 09/17/2010 3:39:52 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Mogger
Why so many miles commuting, and so many vehicles? You have a big family?
77 posted on 09/17/2010 3:53:56 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: spodefly
whereas a DOHC, turbocharged high-horsepower 4 cylinder would want short intervals.

Owners manual says 5mo/5K for my EVO X..

78 posted on 09/17/2010 4:27:17 PM PDT by EVO X
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To: Vigilanteman
If your Granny drives 2,500 miles a year you had better change her oil. On the other hand if you're a salesman driving 3,000 miles a month you could go 3 months but you had better check the oil level a couple of times in that period in case some duufus left the old gasket in the filter base...
79 posted on 09/17/2010 4:49:44 PM PDT by tubebender (Life is short so drink the good wine first...)
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To: Vigilanteman
Oil change: Full synthetic and quality filter, can be done for $30-35.00. How much can you replace that engine for?

Every three thousand miles for the type of driving I do. Six months out of the year my life can depend on that engine staying running.

If you don't drive much, every six months is a good rule of thumb, too.

80 posted on 09/17/2010 6:28:14 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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