Posted on 09/17/2010 8:33:36 AM PDT by Kaslin
What do you need a radar detector for?
Once on the scene, the cops fully intended to shoot someone, and they were juiced up for the event, regardless of the situation at hand.
That's what they did. Shot him dead, after premeditating, and with total disregard of the circumstances.
Sounds like William Mosher is the Vegas PD equivalent of the FBI’s Lon Horiuchi. Real tough guy.
I’ve read on other threads that while it may be Costco store policy not to allow firearms on their premises that this particular store did not have any sign stating that.
I do too.
It’s just that files are way more stable than the old, OH-The-Tape-Broke....tapes.
So, it’s suspect that just a few files.....what?...just those files?
Anyways, the system is done by professionals and stable, and copying is as easy as on your desktop.
Costco is BS(ing) about the ‘tapes’, dollars to donuts.
Yup. I agree.
So, when an employee states that store policy is that guns aren't allowed, I would think it's time to leave. Posted sign or no sign.
>I am near radical 2nd Amendment advocate, even for felons who have done their time, but also a private property fiend. If you are on someone’s property, they are the king, and obey or leave, just as you would wish on your property.
The question is, I think, to what degree does a private property THAT IS OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC remain private.
The two are contradictory, in nature, either it *IS* open to the general public, and therefore public in nature [and should be governed by the same public-laws] OR it is not [and the property truly is private].
Or else shoot the guy dead on the spot, right? </sarc>
It’s also because liberals love to see a conservative slaughtered and then remain mute regarding the situation.
The executives of Costco, if they possessed any virtue, would have made explicit public expression of proper procedures before and after such an incident. They haven’t.
Instead they are aiding and abetting injustice, if not directly, then indirectly by failing to come forward with timely information and reduce the obvious implication that Costco prefers the public surrender their Constitutional rights in return for their squeezing more financial interest.
I suspect very few, if anybody, in the Costco hierarchy, has forthright virtue sufficient enough to even recognize their culpability in the entire affair. I suspect they are half cowards and half mediocre managers, simply scared about whatever course of action they take might inflict them with more financial liabilities, so they remain mute and turn it over to lawyers to handle their responsibilities.
Too bad, they didn’t have the same guts to turn their initial conflict with the Army officer with a CCW permit over to lawyers, instead of crying Wolf! Wolf! to a trigger happy law enforcement group, so much more interested in killing anybody they accused than bringing the issue to justice that they made the situation much worse.
Who in their right mind would place faith trust and confidence in any of the Nevada government today? They always been corrupt and will continue to promote corruption.
>>I’ve read on other threads that while it may be Costco store policy not to allow firearms on their premises that this particular store did not have any sign stating that.
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>So, when an employee states that store policy is that guns aren’t allowed, I would think it’s time to leave. Posted sign or no sign.
Hmm, you’re a bit of an non-confrontationalist then (like me).
But let’s go into the hypothetical; let’s say I’m open carrying in one of my city parks and someone calls me in to the police... should I comply with all their demands? Could they legitimately arrest me?
To know where the friggin’ cops are of course. Why else?
These are not my friends.
If it were me, absolutely I would comply. Save the truth for when it's needed, court.
Could they legitimately arrest me?
If there's no law against it, then it wouldn't be a legitimate arrest. That doesn't mean they won't arrest you. Then again, that's what court is for, yes? I have read many news articles where people are arrested for open carry because the police, in their ignorance of the law, arrest the person.
>>But let’s go into the hypothetical; let’s say I’m open carrying in one of my city parks and someone calls me in to the police... should I comply with all their demands?
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>If it were me, absolutely I would comply. Save the truth for when it’s needed, court.
Good answer.
>>Could they legitimately arrest me?
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>If there’s no law against it, then it wouldn’t be a legitimate arrest.
Let’s say there’s a big old sign that says, among other things that there are no firearms allowed in the park.
Does that make the arrest legitimate?
>That doesn’t mean they won’t arrest you. Then again, that’s what court is for, yes? I have read many news articles where people are arrested for open carry because the police, in their ignorance of the law, arrest the person.
And here’s where it get’s interesting; in my state, New Mexico, we have the following in our Constitution:
Art 2, Sec. 6. [Right to bear arms.]
No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes, but nothing herein shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons. No municipality or county shall regulate, in any way, an incident of the right to keep and bear arms.
Does this information change the answer you would have given above?
Hmmm. Well, if the state law says it's ok to carry in parks I think that would render the, assuming it's a towns law, void.
Does this information change the answer you would have given above?
Certainly gives one pause to be sure. For me, I have CCW's for years and would never open carry. That's just me, but you raise a great point. I guess it all comes down to how far we'd like to take it, ya know?
It’s still private, privately owned and insured. I’d have no problem with an establishment, open to the public, forbidding guns. Fine with me, I’ll take my business elsewhere, or not. Both of us have options.
You can swear in a low down dive bar just fine, but not in a high class places.
If a business owner doesn’t want some pants around the knees, base ball cap on sideways customer, fine. Or makes you wear a suit and a tie, fine.
I don’t think the open to the public or not argument is strong for speech, dress codes, or behavior all of which would go unmolested in publicly owned spaces. Same with guns, unmolested in the public sphere, at the owners discretion in the private sphere.
Apparently he moved his hands toward his waist...regardless of the multiple shouted instructions, had he not moved his arms toward the weapon he might still be alive...it seems from the article that he voluntarily said “I’m disarming”, and started to move his arm down...that’s not what the cops wanted him to do...they wanted him to follow THEIR instructions not his own...he wasn’t complying ...should they have shot him Hell No! They shouldn’t have fired until they saw actual gun metal...how do they know he was actually armed? they never saw a gun they only had a report of one. So many mistakes led to this tragedy the ccw holder, the security and the cops.
When was the last time you had a “business” interaction with a cop?
I have personally seen to it that one CHP officer went to jail and two others were reassigned to Death Valley. I hate bad cops and it has been years since I met good one.
That particular COSTCO had no such sign(s).
When was the last time you had a “business” interaction with a cop?
I have personally seen to it that one CHP officer went to jail and two others were reassigned to Death Valley. I hate bad cops and it has been years since I met good one.
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