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Old Theory Of Keynesian Stimulus Comes Up Against Hard New Facts
IBD Editorials ^ | September 15, 2010 | Alan Reynolds

Posted on 09/15/2010 5:21:25 PM PDT by Kaslin

Dana Milbank, a new Washington Post columnist, thinks Republican politicians "managed to turn the Keynesian notion of economic 'stimulus' into such a dirty word that President Obama and his aides are afraid to let it escape their lips."

He blames "think tanks such as the Cato Institute" for not agreeing that Keynesian theory is so "unassailable" and "universally embraced" that daring to question the elixir of deficit spending "has a flat earth feel to it."

Milbank forgets that Keynesian Democrats, including the recently departed OMB director Peter Orszag, constantly hectored Republicans about the evils of budget deficits while Reagan or Bush was in office.

UC Berkeley economist Brad DeLong wrote a 2004 paper for the Center for American Progress assailing Bush's budget deficit. "A bigger deficit means less investment in America," he wrote; "And less investment in America means slower economic growth." DeLong quoted Bush adviser Greg Mankiw who likewise argued that, "government budget deficits reduce the economy's growth rate."

Milbank now claims Mankiw supports the exact opposite idea — namely, that budget deficits "stimulate" the economy's growth rate. Unfortunately, any theory that explains everything must also explain nothing.

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1 posted on 09/15/2010 5:21:29 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

everyone over the age of fifteen knows that too much stimulation can just be annoying. You won’t get anything done without getting to real work. Just saying.


2 posted on 09/15/2010 5:27:20 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I lived in VT for four years. That was enough.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Stimulus 1. was never a stimulus, it was political payback
to unions and liberal special interest groups as well as
liberal politicians.


3 posted on 09/15/2010 5:36:54 PM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: Vermont Lt

I have seen lots of young people on forums that think that FDR prevented a great depression and that we need to spend the same way to prevent another. Keynesianism is such a self justifying thing because it can fail over and over and they just say it prevented something worse and should be done even bigger.


4 posted on 09/15/2010 5:41:15 PM PDT by omega4179 (Rino hunt 2010!)
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To: Kaslin; blam

Japan’s been stimulating their economy every year since 1989 on a far grander scale than has the U.S., and Japan is stuck with 21 years of deflation...and counting.


5 posted on 09/15/2010 5:44:15 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Kaslin
Kenyanesian Economics are even worse.
6 posted on 09/15/2010 5:47:22 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Kaslin

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123249646698200289.html

In normal recessions — the argument goes — an increase in discretionary government spending is unnecessary and even counterproductive. But in the event that a recession becomes a depression, a Keynesian stimulus package might work.


7 posted on 09/15/2010 5:49:30 PM PDT by Son House (Like Getting Liposuction, and Coming Out Fatter. Time to Convict Democrats of Economic Malpractice.)
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To: Kaslin
in the event that a recession becomes a depression, a Keynesian stimulus package might

Democrats either
A. didn't understand Keynesian theory, or
b.they went along with the herd

because the 'Keynesian stimulus package' is supposed to be used in a Depression, not a recession.
8 posted on 09/15/2010 5:52:37 PM PDT by Son House (Like Getting Liposuction, and Coming Out Fatter. Time to Convict Democrats of Economic Malpractice.)
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To: Kaslin

Keynes was a goofball. His footprint in history is a pox.


9 posted on 09/15/2010 5:59:29 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Son House
in the event that a recession becomes a depression, a Keynesian stimulus package might work.

It is quite well understood. It works when there is a monetary depression - an economic slowdown cause by a decrease of the quantity of money in circulation (because of a sharp credit contraction, etc.) It does not fix structural problems caused by many years of investment in unproductive assets (shopping malls and Miami condos, regulatory apparatus and lawyers to run it, etc.) where ultimately the lack of productivity resulting from a long stream of diverted income to these things begins to feed back on total economic activity as they undermine useful economic activity and produce nothing useful themselves.

The liquidation of such malinvestment is a key part of any economic cycle. It is painful but necessary. It recycles resources and labor into productive assets.

In this latter instance, the Keynesian stimulus just sustains and increases the malinvestment differing the day of reckoning until a day when the adjustment will be even more painful.

10 posted on 09/15/2010 6:33:52 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

Thanks for elaborating on that, I’d wish the Republican party could understand that and use it to show how economically inept Democrats are


11 posted on 09/15/2010 6:40:52 PM PDT by Son House (Like Getting Liposuction, and Coming Out Fatter. Time to Convict Democrats of Economic Malpractice.)
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To: Kaslin

In 1939, after 10 years of Keynesian economics on steroids, the unemployment rate was still stuck at 17%.

And the Democrats think THAT was a marvelous success. The only reason it came down after that was because the US government drafted 13 million men into military service, beginning with the Selective Service Act of 1940.

As for “the war getting us out of the Depression,” life for the average American in the war years was even WORSE than the thirties, the only difference was that it was considered highly unpatriotic to complain.

The tax cuts of the late forties is what got us rolling again.

There is so far, no such thing as a Keynesian success story.


12 posted on 09/15/2010 6:43:29 PM PDT by cookcounty (Dec 31st is coming: .....Stop Obama's Midnight Jack-Up!)
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To: Vermont Lt

And if the stimulus had any chance of working, the money would HAVE to been spent in the U.S. on meaningful projects. Sending $800,000 plus to Africa to show uncircumcised men how to wash their genitals as recently reported, is beyond bizarre.


13 posted on 09/15/2010 6:51:14 PM PDT by kiltie65
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To: kiltie65
"And if the stimulus had any chance of working, the money would HAVE to been spent in the U.S. on meaningful projects. Sending $800,000 plus to Africa to show uncircumcised men how to wash their genitals as recently reported, is beyond bizarre."

In someones book, that probably qualifies you as a racist.

The Somalia's who immigrate here have to be taught how to use a door and the bathroom, then they go on welfare paid for by you and me.

We're doomed!!

14 posted on 09/15/2010 7:00:13 PM PDT by blam
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To: Kaslin

“Ain’t everybody talking about Heaven gonna go there.”

Ain’t everybody taking about Keynes know what they’re talking about. Keynesian theory admits that “leakages” can undermine a stimulus. Leakages = stimuli in a country that is a heavy importer and is heavily in debt.


15 posted on 09/15/2010 7:07:44 PM PDT by Malesherbes (Sauve qui peut)
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To: cookcounty

“In 1939, after 10 years of Keynesian economics on steroids, the unemployment rate was still stuck at 17%.”

The “Keynes on steroids” spending that you allude to was actually very small by post WWII standards. In the post-war era government spending has been about 20% of the economy. During the Depression it was less than 10% of GNP. That amount of spending seemed high at the time simply because it was a much larger portion of the GNP than it had been during the 1920s, when government spending was as low as 5% of the economy.

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc1/GovernmentSpending.html

“There is so far, no such thing as a Keynesian success story”

There have been plenty. Tax cuts are one type of Keynesian policy response to a faltering economy. Keynesian policies work fine to reverse normal cyclical recessions. They aren’t going to work in structural deflations like we now have. The big problem with Keynesianism isn’t that it doesn’t work, it’s that it grants too much control and power to the political class.


16 posted on 09/15/2010 10:09:24 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam, the mortal enemy of the free world)
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