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To: John O
have no idea where you got this impression. MY point is that if we do not make the first strike then some of our people will die needlessly when the enemy attacks. And the enemy has promised (and demonstrated) that they will attack again and again until we no longer exist.

I got that impression because you have repeatedly said that my position is tantamount to unilateral surrender. In this last entry, you have seriously modified your position, moving more to mine, as it happens. I find no valiant death in battle to be 'needless'. There are those who volunteer to be on the front line. The front line will take the first and worst casualties. They know that and they volunteer anyway. That's what makes them valiant. Knowing that they will have to wait to be attacked and being willing to stand there and be the first target makes them heroes.

You don't like that there would have to be casualties on our side to begin with. I could wish it weren't so, but the alternative is to turn into a nation which engages in genocide. I thought we were opposed to that philosophically. I cannot see you opposing it, from what you have posted. That being so, I stand against you. I denounce any nation that would attack another, even if they threatened them. Rattling sabres is just provocation. It is not assault and certainly not battery. A Godless nation will not be able to stand being insulted and threatened. A Godly nation restrains itself from such childish reactionary behavior.

And I say all this knowing that Muslims have attacked and murdered Christians in the last few days. Sadly, those Christians were citizens of other nations, whose moral responsibility it is to punish the perpetrators. I do not think they will do so and those martyrs and confessors will have only our prayers for their valiant souls.

The case, I would hope, will be different if some American Christian is attacked or murdered. That's as far as I will go and this is the last postI will make in this fruitless exchange. If you must, you have the last word. I won't even read it.

90 posted on 09/12/2010 9:06:02 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: BelegStrongbow
There are those who volunteer to be on the front line. The front line will take the first and worst casualties. They know that and they volunteer anyway. That's what makes them valiant. Knowing that they will have to wait to be attacked and being willing to stand there and be the first target makes them heroes.

The people in the WTC did not volunteer. Yet they were on the front lines. We (the US government) could have defended them, but we did not.

You don't like that there would have to be casualties on our side to begin with. I could wish it weren't so, but the alternative is to turn into a nation which engages in genocide. I thought we were opposed to that philosophically.

I never said that. Sometimes genocide really is the only way to end a war. God used it several times in the bible to protect His people.

those martyrs and confessors will have only our prayers for their valiant souls.

They are beyond any aid we can give them. They now stand to be judged before the throne of Christ. If they were not ready (saved) then those moslems have sent them to hell. Aided by the countries that did not defend their people. This is why I am so concerned about this issue.

That's as far as I will go and this is the last postI will make in this fruitless exchange. If you must, you have the last word. I won't even read it.

OK I'll take it.

As seen by the posts on this thread, BelegStrongbow advocates standing uselessly by and allowing our people to be slain like sheep by a culture that has announced that it will do exactly that.

I can only assume that your stance is due to ignorance about the enemy and their aims. I give you the same advice I gave Mrs-Dono. Read the koran and then we'll talk again when you understand.

92 posted on 09/13/2010 6:15:00 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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