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In Support of Westboro Baptist [Dr. Terry Jones "burn a Koran" supports Fred Phelps]
Dove World Outreach Center ^ | April 21, 2010

Posted on 09/07/2010 7:28:57 PM PDT by earlJam

Edited on 09/08/2010 2:27:45 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

In Support of Westboro Baptist

By Fran Ingram - Posted on 21 April 2010

On Sunday April 18, Westboro Baptist Church came to Gainesville. One of their stops was a liberal "Open doors, open hearts, open minds," church near us, so we took part of our Sunday Service time and went as a church to stand with them.

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I have been asked most often in the last days about the 'protests' that Westboro does at funerals.

The arguemant (from very angry people with extremely ugly language) is that their attendance at funerals is offensive and a fallen soldier is NOT a sign of God's wrath.

My answer:

Westboro Baptist is not anti-military or anti-USA. Rather the opposite, actually. Do some research. They go to funerals because the Bible says that a fallen soldier is a sign of God's wrath and a reminder of the condition of this world, a fallen world, in sin. We all know that. None of us want to fight wars. We have to, and we honor the fallen for their sacrifice, but funerals are also a chance to repent and get our lives right with God before our own comes along.

The soldier who is already dead knows what's coming, whether they are in heaven or hell. I think they would be glad for the extra reminder to loved ones that they still have time to make a choice and use the rest of their time given here for God rather than wasting it, in a spiritual sense.


Google cache of the Dove World article in support of Westboro Baptist Protests Against U.S. Military

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In Support of Westboro Baptist


By Fran Ingram - Posted on 21 April 2010

On Sunday April 18, Westboro Baptist Church came to Gainesville. One of their stops was a liberal "Open doors, open hearts, open minds," church near us, so we took part of our Sunday Service time and went as a church to stand with them.

We have also learned that when you speak out about what God hates, you will be hated. We do not agree with all of Westboro's methods, but we admire their determination to find radical ways to preach the truth of the Bible, as we do. Most churches and Pastors in America try to stand on neutral ground. They are lost, weak and sick and need to repent.

Senior Pastor Sylvia Jones wrote on facebook:

Today was a historical day! People who did not know each other with nothing in common but the word of God marching in unity and putting the kingdom first, ahead of everything else! What can be more important than saving people from hell? We must stand on the truth, the word of God instead on finding reasons why we cannot be in unity! Yes we can! We can obey God and save people from going to hell!

 

You can find more pictures on our facebook page here...

I have been asked most often in the last days about the 'protests' that Westboro does at funerals.

The arguemant (from very angry people with extremely ugly language) is that their attendance at funerals is offensive and a fallen soldier is NOT a sign of God's wrath.

My answer:

Westboro Baptist is not anti-military or anti-USA. Rather the opposite, actually. Do some research. They go to funerals because the Bible says that a fallen soldier is a sign of God's wrath and a reminder of the condition of this world, a fallen world, in sin. We all know that. None of us want to fight wars. We have to, and we honor the fallen for their sacrifice, but funerals are also a chance to repent and get our lives right with God before our own comes along.

The soldier who is already dead knows what's coming, whether they are in heaven or hell. I think they would be glad for the extra reminder to loved ones that they still have time to make a choice and use the rest of their time given here for God rather than wasting it, in a spiritual sense.

At DWOC we are also very pro-America, pro-Military, AND super, radically concerned about people's salvation. That's why we go after Islam and say it is of the devil - it is anti-Christian and anti-America. In this liberal world, names and labels get thrown about and twisted at random. Don't we all get angry with the media for preaching half truths which amount to lies?
To my Christian friends, get your Bibles out and read the OT Prophets. They were hated too for speaking God's words of truth, then killed. I would rather be right with God than right with facebook friends. Where are you?

And another answer:

If we lived in a sinless, no devil world, there would be no war. We have chosen sin, there are therefore wars, and we all suffer, we all need to repent. I'm OK with your thinking I am sick, but think about the fact that the Bible is what I am talking about, not my own ideas. Don't you think that a fallen soldier reflects some of what is wrong with the world? Not the soldier but the war itself?

What is the point of not making people angry and uncomfortable in this life if that means they go on, clueless, rebellious, straight to hell. I would have to answer to God for that. I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ and to stand with other Christians that preach it truthfully. Did the prophets and leaders in the Bible, even Jesus, did they always peach a nice sweet message? Did they always respect the sensibilities and traditions of the people? Think about it. Read your Bibles, people!

I have a Grandfather that died in WWII.  I am proud of his contribution to that war. But he and my family are Christian and eternal salvation is the most important thing on our hearts. We do not think Westboro are hateful. They point out what God hates, desperate, like the Prophets of old that no one go to hell.

Jesus said, in Matthew 7:13,14

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

That narrow gate is a knowledge of the truth, a fear of God, Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross for your sins, repentance from our sins and wickedness, as we are warned throughout the Bible. This is the hope for you, the hope for your family, the hope for our Nation, for the world.

And yes, if my husband died I would be glad if Westboro would come and hold their signs and sing at his funeral. Many people would be shocked, but they might be shocked into a fear of God and a decision for Christ. How will they know if someone does not tell them?

 



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To: Admin Moderator

Hrmmm....so you are against the freedom of expression now too?

Isnt it possible to support the burning of the koran and NOT be a phelps supporter?

or are you buying into the “OMG dont burn a Koran” hysteria?

If the US Govt can Burn Bibles:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2584732/posts

Then a US citizen can Burn a koran.

Pretty simple eh?


101 posted on 09/07/2010 10:17:10 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: mnehring

View this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOKlnU8meKE&NR=1

Tell me what you think. Is he a liberal tool?


102 posted on 09/07/2010 10:17:58 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (America's internal axis of evil: Islamist ,Socialist, Marxist ,RINOist.)
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To: Outlaw Woman

If your post was pulled....that would be a hint...


103 posted on 09/07/2010 10:18:29 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: earlJam

Dove World defending the anti-American biigot (and lifelong Democrat) Fred Phelps and his Westboro “Church” (which got run out of DC by the DC Chapter fo Free Republic.) No surprise. They’re two peas from the same pod.


104 posted on 09/07/2010 10:21:21 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: earlJam

Dove World defending the anti-American biigot (and lifelong Democrat) Fred Phelps and his Westboro “Church” (which got run out of DC by the DC Chapter fo Free Republic.) No surprise. They’re two peas from the same pod.


105 posted on 09/07/2010 10:21:26 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Kansas58

Phelps reportedly had a gay affair in college.


106 posted on 09/07/2010 10:22:38 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: earlJam

Why so many deletions in this thread?


107 posted on 09/07/2010 10:24:32 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Crim
Thanks for the link. Phelps is leading people away from God for his own angry cause, just as Jones did. He is killing them spiritually just as Jones killed them physically. Rom 12:19--Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge;
I will repay,"says the Lord. Maybe you will be an instrument of the Lord....maybe not. I wouldn't presume to know How he wants to deal with Islam, but deal with it He will.

108 posted on 09/07/2010 10:25:59 PM PDT by luvie (DIMs?......start packin'--you're fired!....I can see November from my house!)
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To: TBP
Phelps reportedly had a gay affair in college.

Didn't he go to college with Al Gore?

109 posted on 09/07/2010 10:26:54 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: LUV W

Jones as in Jim jones?...the left wing marxist fake preacher and cult leader?

That’s quite a stretch...

Does the Bible forbid homosexuality?

Yes...it does...

Does the bible say to go to the jungle and drink the poison koolaid?

No...it does not...


111 posted on 09/07/2010 10:30:16 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Crim

Then one might suggest that ancient freemasonry is a subset of the Knights Templar...as bearers and defenders of Christendom?


112 posted on 09/07/2010 10:35:08 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (America's internal axis of evil: Islamist ,Socialist, Marxist ,RINOist.)
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To: takenoprisoner
“Then one might suggest that ancient freemasonry is a subset of the Knights Templar...as bearers and defenders of Christendom?”

It's been suggested..yes...

Of course others look at Freemasons and see the Illuminati...

I lean tword the former....seeing Freemasons as against the Illuminati (if they exist)...

Knowing the history of our founding and the number of Freemasons involved...I'd have to say they side with freedom and self determination....rather than enslavement and submission to an authority lesser than a deity...

And yes I view the US Constitution as divinely inspired... We are not here by accident...

113 posted on 09/07/2010 10:45:19 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: WOSG
if the message intended is that the Koran is a hateful book for an intolerant religion, burning it is a poor way to make the point. It gives Christians a black eye. Far better to simple EDUCATE people.

Well, it's a start toward education. And if someone gets a black eye in the process, who gives a ...since our values, our traditions, our Constitution, and everything we cherish has a stake in this. Islam, with it's sharia law, are incompatible with everything we hold dear. A black eye? How bout a pelting they while never forget?

114 posted on 09/07/2010 10:52:50 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (America's internal axis of evil: Islamist ,Socialist, Marxist ,RINOist.)
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To: takenoprisoner

And while christians teach their children tolerance.....muslims teach their children hatred for christians, jews, and non believers...

“Pigs and dogs”


115 posted on 09/07/2010 10:56:17 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Crim

You might be wise beyond your years. Or, simply wise in spite of your years. Either way, by your stated beliefs, you are wise. Since as you suggest, freedom and self determination are divinely inspired. We are a nation of free men.
As such, we will die free. And, we are willing to die defending our freedom from enemies both foreign and domestic.

Currently we are battling both. All the while, at least at this juncture, counting on our Constitution and our rule of law to prevail. If it fails us, then we have no choice but to seek alternatives. Since Islam and it’s imposition of sharia law is not compatible with our Constitution.


116 posted on 09/07/2010 11:15:07 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (America's internal axis of evil: Islamist ,Socialist, Marxist ,RINOist.)
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To: earlJam; Admin Moderator

A funeral isn’t the place for converting sinners by hateful signs and this is not the place for this offensive post..

I feel someone needs to take out the trash


117 posted on 09/07/2010 11:26:07 PM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military Men And Women)
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To: earlJam

seems he may be stoking the fires so when the Mosque gets built at ground zero all He!! can break loose.


119 posted on 09/07/2010 11:53:48 PM PDT by TheDailyChange (Politics,Conservatism,Liberalism)
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To: MEG33

That it is posted isn’t offensive - people need to know just what sort of “church” this is that is getting all the free media and administration publicity. For the same reason Reverend Wright’s drivel needed to be posted so people could see just what sort of kooky church he led, too.


120 posted on 09/07/2010 11:55:16 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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