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Gainesville Church Sparks Global Outrage (Black Panthers Threaten Pastor Over Koran Burning)
ActionJaxNews.com ^ | Monday, September 6, 2010 | Ilyssa Trussel

Posted on 09/06/2010 7:29:25 PM PDT by kristinn

Members of the New Black Panther Party showed up in Gainesville Monday to let The Dove World Outreach Center know it is outraged by its plan to burn the Koran.

"I believe in peace but if you aggress me, I am going to fight back," said State Chairman of the New Black Panther Party Mikhail Muhammad.

The church plans to burn the holy book Saturday on the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

The pastor's plan has reached all the way to Afghanistan where Monday hundeds of demonstrators burned a cardboard effigy of the Gainesville pastor, Terry Jones.

"We are not surprised at all that they are responding in that way because that's the nature of Sharia law, that's the nature of violent Islam," said Jones.

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"We basically want to warn Pastor Terry Jones that if he burns this Koran, he's going to insight a wrath and chastisement on himself that he will not be able to bare (sic) and all he's going to do is add more division between Muslims and Christians when we should be sitting down at the table to resolve our differences," said Muhammad.

The New Black Panther Party say it will be back in Gainesville Saturday to show the church and the world they won't stand for religious hatred.

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To: P-Marlowe
Well any Protestant would, of course, protest. Luther and the other reformers would have considered them, for the most part, nuts. Actually the former pope kissed a Koran, which is going a bit far in the other direction. This Catholic book burning didn't happen in a vacuum anyhow did it? It happened in the context of actual Catholic ownership of the state, right? Where they felt they were responsible for the well being of the whole state, diplomacy in evangelism be damned?
221 posted on 09/07/2010 8:44:43 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Alamo-Girl

Conflating special pleading with “God’s will” is not it.


222 posted on 09/07/2010 8:48:03 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: melancholy

Such drama. One koran burning in one stae is going to cause a national state of emergency? It’s one book. There’s a 90 cajillion of these books in print. This is one. It doesn’t take it out of circulation. Obama is too busy working on his golf swing and chewbaca is trying on clothes and taking her childrens’ BMI. None of them have ever been engaged anyway.


223 posted on 09/07/2010 8:59:07 PM PDT by PistolPaknMama
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To: HiTech RedNeck; xzins

Do you support the right of this Church to burn Korans? Would you be similarly offended if they were burning copies of the Book of Mormon? Or the NIV? Or the Satanic Bible? Or the Origin of Species?

The big question would be whether burning any of those books would be “dangerous”?

If in fact the only book that is “dangerous” to burn is the Koran, then as Americans it should be our sacred duty to burn them until it was so common an event that nobody would think twice about it. Until we have reached that point, then the Islamists are winning and liberty is the loser.


224 posted on 09/07/2010 9:15:37 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

I deem it unwise.

American law was never intended (well, at least until the modern Rat was invented, with whom I am quite out of sympathy) to ban every single solitary thing that might be unwise. It was never intended to create a rubber room to imprison its citizens.


225 posted on 09/07/2010 9:19:40 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck; xzins; P-Marlowe
Conflating special pleading with “God’s will” is not it.

Special pleading logical fallacy? That makes no sense, I was not claiming an exemption from a rule I imposed.

We simply have different views on what is the pertinent question:

you: The pertinent question is why this particular text and why this particular time.

me: The pertinent question is what is God's will concerning this matter.

Fo me God's will is far more important than anything else, including "why this particular text and why this particular time."


226 posted on 09/07/2010 9:42:43 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

You are pretending a separate issue. You know well you furnished a non-answer. Why would “God’s will” (or the price of tea in China, whatever) call for this kind of action now.


227 posted on 09/07/2010 9:46:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Buggman; xzins; HiTech RedNeck; P-Marlowe; XeniaSt; Salem
Secondly, it signifies nothing, since you're not repenting of any sin of your own.

Actually when you get down to it, it does signify something very important. It signifies that although the Nation is ready to bow down to Islam and to kow-tow to terrorists claiming to practice the "religion of peace" this group of Christians is standing up to those who would kill Christians for converting from Islam, or who say bad things about Mohammed, or who would dare to say the truth about Islam, mainly that it is a Satanic Death Cult.

If it truly signified "nothing" then nobody would care. Obviously it signifies something very important, i.e., the hypocrisy that everyone else must be tolerant of Islam, but Islam must not be tolerant of anyone else.

In that sense I wholeheartedly support this Pastor and his mission to place his own life on the line in the cause of Liberty and the cause of Christ.

228 posted on 09/07/2010 9:54:46 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; xzins; P-Marlowe
Why would “God’s will” (or the price of tea in China, whatever) call for this kind of action now.

The "why" doesn't matter.

If all my sensory perception and reasoning are telling me to run and God is telling me to stay, I will stay. He doesn't have to justify Himself to me.

And it doesn't matter if blood thirsty giants are lumbering around me with broadswords and axes, if God tells me to burn their holy writ, I will.

And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place. Ye shall not do so unto the LORD your God. - Deuteronomy 12:3-4

We walk by faith not by sight. (2 Cor 5:7, Hebrews 11 )

God's Name is I AM.

229 posted on 09/07/2010 10:00:59 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: P-Marlowe

OK, you confess, it signifies an insult.

Now since Muslims have been so troublesome worldwide, maybe you don’t care about making a blanket insult to them, no matter how liberally they view the Koran.

There is a time for insult — for declaring Muslims beyond the pale of hope — but it is later, much later. It is at the Great White Throne.

My church supports missions to Muslims in America and thank you, this just made it harder.


230 posted on 09/07/2010 10:03:14 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Alamo-Girl

Do you claim such an event has taken place to you? How do you know that you are right and not the Christians that say whoa, God shows us clearly that it is not the right time?


231 posted on 09/07/2010 10:04:47 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: kristinn

Like the Ground Zero Mosque, this is an unnecessary provoction. Pastor Jones, meet Imam Rauf.


232 posted on 09/07/2010 10:06:58 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
God has not told me to burn a Koran. But if He did, no one's opinion would matter - I'd burn it.


233 posted on 09/07/2010 10:08:16 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

Do you claim that God has told you it is right for the Gainesville “church?” to burn a Koran or Korans?


234 posted on 09/07/2010 10:09:55 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck; xzins
My church supports missions to Muslims in America and thank you, this just made it harder.

And when your mission is successful and you convert a Muslim to Christianity, is this less offensive to the Muslim world than if your church burned a Koran? Every convert you make will be subject to the same Fatwa that is being issued against pastor Jones. Will you condemn your own Church when one of their converts is killed because they left Islam?

235 posted on 09/07/2010 10:11:25 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

The Great Commission is “Go into the world and make disciples [i.e. matheteis, learners].” It isn’t “Go into the world and burn books in order to deliver an insult.”


236 posted on 09/07/2010 10:13:55 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Have you heard nothing I've said?!

Your opinion, my opinion, the Gainesville Pastor's opinion, the opinion of Islamicists around the world, Obama's opinion - none of it - matters. Only God's will.

The earth [is] the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. - Psalms 24:1


237 posted on 09/07/2010 10:15:27 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: P-Marlowe

And I couldn’t care less about the “fatwa” that Jones is getting.


238 posted on 09/07/2010 10:16:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Alamo-Girl

You blither about “God’s will” and yet you have failed to even demonstrate in an elementary way how it applies to the situation at hand at this time. Let me clue you in: time is one of the dimensions of the universe.


239 posted on 09/07/2010 10:17:58 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Alamo-Girl

Let me also clue you in: a great wise man writing under the direction of the Holy Spirit recorded that there was a “time” for every purpose under heaven.


240 posted on 09/07/2010 10:19:35 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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