Posted on 09/06/2010 9:57:15 AM PDT by LonelyCon
Just two years ago, supporting homosexual marriage was such an extreme, politically radioactive position that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton – both Alinskyite progressives and long-time gay-rights supporters – saw fit to publicly and repeatedly declare their opposition to same-sex marriage.
Today, as the homosexual newspaper the Washington Blade puts it, "conservatives have taken the leadership role in achieving marriage equality."
That's right. Not only have high-profile conservatives like Glenn Beck, "The View's" Elizabeth Hasselbeck, Laura Bush, Dick Cheney and many others publicly offered their ringing endorsement of men marrying men and women marrying women, but some on the right are, as the Blade reports, actually leading the charge.
Case in point: George W. Bush's solicitor general Ted Olson has been dedicating his time as one of the two lead attorneys who successfully challenged California's Proposition 8, which had enshrined in the state's constitution the fact that, as Hillary Clinton put it, "marriage is as a marriage always has been, between a man and a woman."
Indeed, proclaims the Blade, when it comes to the battle to legalize same-sex marriage, it is conservatives who "have achieved the most important success so far as they are the most willing and most able to take the case to the Supreme Court."
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And S.E. Cupp, a young conservative Daily Caller columnist and frequent Fox pundit, goes so far as to say, "Conservatism and gay rights are actually natural allies. Conservatism rightly seeks to keep the government out of our private lives, and when you strip away the politics of pop culture, it's this assertion of privacy and freedom that the gay rights movement is essentially making."
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
President Obama has been very consistent on this issue, he’s opposed to gay marriage. It’s one of the few things he has been consistent on, even when it hurts him politically.
Hard to judge motives, but I would have thought he would haved caved in by now on the gay marriage issue if he didn’t really believe it.
There are lots of us who consider homosexuality an abomination, but we just don't want to execute everyone who engages in sodomy.
ML/NJ
Obama IS a sodomite, and he does not wish to be Outed, so he, like most of them, puts on the veneer.
You would prefer to sit back, do and say nothing, and wait for them to kill you first?
Anything is possible.
But even if true, Obama has been very consistently and publically against gay marriage ... moreso than many so-called conservatives.
Like I said, I don’t know his motives, whether it’s a political calculation or he really is against it. Either way, he’s been PUBLICALLY willing to go against it.
Establishment Republicans are, in too large a measure, part of the Political Class mentioned by Rasmussen in his polling.
They, like the Democrats we all despise, occasionally presume to tell us what we believe, or ought to believe.
Economically, they are the reason for the Tea Party’s existence.
Behaviorally, we face a long, hard struggle to replace this Political Class with a group who will listen to the will of the people, expressed at last count in 39 states that have voted against legalizing homosexual ‘marriage’.
Yes, he has. Unless you count his efforts to end the don’t ask in the Military. Then he is farther to the left than anyone in history on this issue. Guess his stance depends on the venue.
There are other passages that describes the Holy Spirit ceasing to strive with folks when they continued to reject Jesus Christ, no matter what primary sin they were into. I think that passage of scripture describes the effect of what rejection of God ultimately can lead to including homosexuality. It doesn’t state that homosexuality itself leads to reprobation, it states that continued rejection of God and revolting against his grace gets you given over “to a reprobate mind” leading to such lifestyles.
Rebel against God and his light and you risk a darkened consciousness, much given over to unnatural lusts almost beastlike in nature. Look at the story of Nebuchednezzar for one such story. Homosexuality isn’t the only “bad end” that can occur when one rejects God but it is a most demostrative one in which the pronounced effects of a consciousness fully at odds with God can be clearly observed!
No. I am now saying the maximum I am allowed to say. I once said much more direct, yet not directed "AT" anyone. There are words which are NOT allowed. And words define things. Once words are removed from the vocabulary the very nature of the debate is changed. We are losing. Lo, we HAVE lost.
And mark my words. This forum will embrace it and it will be no longer "free" to even discuss it, before we can celebrate it's next double anniversary.
There are many here who are not only enablers but PRACTITIONERS. And like all practitioners, seek to be above condemnation for their deeds.
It used to be said "10%" were "gay". Before the next decade ends, that number WILL BE ABOVE 25% if not a majority.
I graduated from College just a few years ago, and the number of people who "tried" it... had an "experience" or two, at a PRIVATE University, is at least 1 in 5. It is the "new" trying drugs, or trying normal sex. The just this side of Taboo but no big deal.
You cannot undo that kind of learning. I know of only one guy who "hated it" so badly, that he ran 180 degrees and back to Church and Christ! To most it was just "silly" and didn't mean anything. Some, found they LIKED it and just say they are now "Bi" but mostly "Hetro". This is what the next generation is growing up with.
Those of you old timers, who grew up when you called some poor kid a name and mocked him in School, even if he wasn't really gay, that generation is gone. That understanding is gone. You have no idea how many GAY CLUBS are in the Middle Schools and Grade Schools today. Nor, how many gay teachers and admins nurture and recruit for them.
This is beyond infestation. This is beyond plague. This is the end of the world. 2 seconds to midnight.
The queers I know are not the least bit violent. What are you talking about?
ML/NJ
I’d like to see those “other” examples. Truly.
Every 10 seconds spent thinking about this, is 10 seconds of respite for the people guilty of economic policies that are incompatible with the Constitution.
Maybe you should direct your comment to WND which seems to equate speaking to or with homosexuals, with sleeping with them.
ML/NJ
Welcome to Free Republic, Mark Moreford.
You will find that we breeders to not hate you near as much as you have always thought we did. Unless you get in our face and demand things, we don't think about you at all.
You are having a Ugarte moment.
Well the moderators don’t like the curse words or slang terms...though the term “gay”, Lesbian or homosexual seem to be allowed. Then again such terms as the moderators would ban are also banned in even the most conservative churches. We don’t need to use slang terms in a provacative way to get our messages across. Just speaking the truth with the malice of doves will get us ridiculed or even killed in some venues. The resurrection of Jesus is a stumbling block to some and foolishness to others. What say you admin moderators?
Yep. What you said.
Let’s go down the list:
Glenn Beck made a curiously uninformed statement about it...he said, to paraphrase, if the gays who want to marry aren’t coming to get us (believers in traditional marriage), I don’t really care that much about the issue. A FReeper answered, they are coming to get your children. Beck acts like an ignoramus on this matter...someone needs to help him.
One more thing: Beck is almost a libertarian. Not all the way, but almost. Calling him conservative doesn’t tell the story.
Dick Cheney is personally compromised on the issue because of his daughter and now even having grandchildren by his gay daughter being artificially inseminated. Not excusing his stance, just illuminating it.
Laura Bush has never claimed to be a conservative.
Ted Olson has made a ton of money for this advocacy. He is one of the best ever and his services come very, very high. Also, did he not remarry a leftist? I think I read so. Correct me if I’m wrong on that.
As far as I know, Glenn Beck has never endorsed gay marriage.
Anyone looking to Elizabeth Hasselbeck for political leadership cannot be considered part of the conservative base.
Laura Bush. Lovely woman, but has distanced herself from mainstream conservatism. As far as I can tell, she has little actual party influence.
Everyone assumed Ted Olson was a conservative based on some of his past work and who he was married to. It turns out, he is a lawyer.
For most of his life in government service Dick Cheney never had much of an ideology. Of the WND list, He is as close to Republican Party leadership supporting gay marriage as they get. And he dutifully supported the party position, even when he didn't endorse it.
I'm still not seeing Republican Party endorsing gay marriage.
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