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The (Black) Underperformance (in College) Problem
Minding the Campus ^ | September 2, 2010 | Russell K. Nieli

Posted on 09/05/2010 1:27:46 PM PDT by reaganaut1

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To: Tzimisce
"What we need is a system where we take grade averages from white and asian kids and give it to black kids so they’ll all have passing grades. :)"

May as well...we do it for everything else.

It's be racist not to, eh?

41 posted on 09/05/2010 2:28:01 PM PDT by blam
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To: reaganaut1

John U. Ogbu did a study of black kid in Shaker Heights (Ohio) schools.

Here’s his book titled “Black American Students in An Affluent Suburb: A Study of Academic Disengagement”.

http://www.amazon.com/Black-American-Students-Affluent-Suburb/dp/080584516X

Yes, academic disengagement. There is a cultural bias against doing too well academically. A lot of black kids born in America do not think it is cool to achieve in school. But their counterparts who migrate here from Africa tend to do well.

Another book I just read is “A Hope in the Unseen: An American Odyssey from the Inner City to the Ivy League.”

http://www.amazon.com/Hope-Unseen-American-Odyssey-League/dp/0767901266/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1283721683&sr=8-1


42 posted on 09/05/2010 2:32:31 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is <strike>fading</strike>gone.)
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To: struggle
"Treat all as individuals and not as members of a race"

When individuals share characteristics it is appropriate to group them and a lie not to.


43 posted on 09/05/2010 2:32:31 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: reaganaut1

Here is the reason on the lower left column, we stopped bringing in the upper right, Thanks to the drunken presently burning in hell woman killer, rewriting our immigration policies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations


44 posted on 09/05/2010 2:33:05 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: reaganaut1
Headline?

The "grade gap"
Obama Adm To Provide Teleprompters For Students
"Liberal blacks may benefit from this ridiculous plan," says critic. "There are better solutions."

45 posted on 09/05/2010 2:33:27 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Cheetahcat

OOP’s

Here is the reason on the lower RIGHT column, we stopped bringing in the upper LEFT, Thanks to the drunken presently burning in hell woman killer, rewriting our immigration policies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations


46 posted on 09/05/2010 2:35:26 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: grania
I do think that's a myth.

I don't. I've taught at a major four-year university, had many friends in the admissions department, and the students I teach now have college admissions officers tell them the same thing (which they will still confirm to me to this day). It may not be true at every little college everywhere... but if the average high school student has heard of the college, they do it...

47 posted on 09/05/2010 2:37:09 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: reaganaut1
The truly sad part is that these black kids receive "scholarships" funded by overcharging the tuition of the non-black kids, who wind up burying themselves in student loan debt.

And, as it happens, student loan debt is the ONLY debt that cannot be discharged in bankruptcy proceedings.

And now Obama wants to make people with outstanding student loans indentured slaves to the federal government.

Reparations at last!

48 posted on 09/05/2010 2:37:45 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: nolongerademocrat
Why don’t we just issues them degrees in their area of choice from their college of choice for a $10.00 printing fee?

Because then you couldn't give them "scholarships" paid for by overcharging non-minority kids.

49 posted on 09/05/2010 2:39:36 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: reaganaut1

Many black college students come from inner city high schools which may provide good training at keeping your nose clean, street smarts and hand-to-hand combat, but really don’t give the young people the study skills they need to survive in college.

What makes it worse for black students (as opposed to inner city white teens) is affirmative action, where those brightest young people from the inner city are encouraged and recruited to go to the most competitive schools.

Many of the students which might be able to get by in a state school with their native intelligence and picking things up, but the African American students are pushed forward and heavily recruited to attend CMU or MIT instead of Penn State or Clarion State, where they would stand a lot better chance of success. Its not their fault they had a crappy high school where they didn’t learn how to study, but there is no real way for them to make up the deficiencies in such a short period.


50 posted on 09/05/2010 2:41:41 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: reaganaut1

Affirmative action jobs were given as a stop gap until Blacks could bring their scores,, grades, and eligibility requirements up to whites.

We will have affirmative action jobs forever because it will never happen.

We will have quota’s forever because it is the only way blacks can compete. They know it and we know it.

Eric holder should try to work up the courage to argue that with a white man.


51 posted on 09/05/2010 2:45:38 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: reaganaut1

This is a cultural issue I believe and not a genetic one.

Having worked in the inner city for years, I see how black kids think education is white thing and they are black and proud..


52 posted on 09/05/2010 2:54:26 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: NonValueAdded

We need a GPRS (grade-point redistribution system).


Nah. You can get around the whole grade/acheivement thing entirely by just redistributing the wealth. Getting kids to do better is school is HARD. Taxing and redistributing is a piece of cake in comparison.


53 posted on 09/05/2010 2:55:34 PM PDT by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: reaganaut1

Just give them all a 4.0 GPA in college and see if it makes a difference how they do on the job interview once they get out.


54 posted on 09/05/2010 3:05:08 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: RnMomof7

I agree. I would like to see a study on black kids raised by white parents and see how they did in school. I believe there are plenty of smart black kids. They have to be raised right, though. Look at Condi Rice. I think she’s brilliant. And Charles Payne on Fox Business. I love that guy.


55 posted on 09/05/2010 3:05:35 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012 (Proud Infidel)
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To: aquila48
The “Bell Curve” just won’t go away...

Reality is hard to argue away.

That's what I was thinking of reading the posts, and what Charles Murray would write if he were a freeper.

56 posted on 09/05/2010 3:05:48 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: reaganaut1
Blacks equally matched with whites or Asians in terms of their entering scholastic credentials and socio-economic backgrounds simply do not perform as well as their Asian and white counterparts in college. And the degree of underperformance is often very substantial.

This is most likely due to the fact that the schools these blacks attend either score grades differently(in other words not as harshly)than the schools that whites/asians attend.

57 posted on 09/05/2010 3:09:19 PM PDT by calex59
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To: jessduntno

Hey, at least Pumpsie made it to the show. Obama should be cleaning shower shoes in the bus league.


58 posted on 09/05/2010 3:12:12 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

“Hey, at least Pumpsie made it to the show. Obama should be cleaning shower shoes in the bus league.”

True.


59 posted on 09/05/2010 3:14:12 PM PDT by jessduntno (Flush the Grand Old Potty. Change it top to bottom. Conservatives only.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have to say the situation was the same at Allegheny College up the road from Grove City in the late 70’s.

Although the school does take some Fed. money (grants, stuff like that), it has no athletic scholarships, so admittance is pretty much based on academic ability. I can’t recall one black member of my class (probably about 15) dropping out or graduating late.


60 posted on 09/05/2010 3:17:01 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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