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The Odysseus group - John Taylor Gatto ^ | Aug. 2010 | John Tayor Gatto

Posted on 09/02/2010 5:43:28 PM PDT by AuntB

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To: loveliberty2

Of course. The government school system must be destroyed or it will complete its destruction of our children, ourfamilies, adn our culture. No conservative should ever defend our “single-payer” government schol system.


21 posted on 09/02/2010 6:59:55 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Snickersnee; Palter; AuntB; Colinsky; okie01

Well — June 25, 1950 it is, then!

I still find the stats suspicious, and here’s why:

When Pearl Harbor was attacked, men who had gone AWOL returned to bases, begging to be taken back so they could fignt in the war. People were fired up a wanting to be in the middle of the action.

And 5 years after WWII — Korea?! Where the Hell is Korea??

I believe there existed little enthusiasm among Americans to go kick butts on the Asian mainland.

My dad told me that many of his fellow veterans from WWII had signed up for the Reserves, believing they would never see action again and could use the money signing up would bring. Dad was at university when his friends were called up and few, if any, were enthusiastic about going to fight for Korea.

So, what am I saying here? I suspect that whereas men were willing to fight to protect the United States after an attack, they weren’t quite so willing to go fight for Korea.

That is why I find the stats suspect. I accept that literacy degraded from about the late 1950’s onward, but IMHO not earlier.


22 posted on 09/02/2010 7:01:50 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: SatinDoll
The Korean War started in the late 1940’s, in 1948, I believe. The following statement is therefore bogus:

“In the few short years from the beginning of WWII to Korea, a terrifying problem of adult illiteracy had appeared. The Korean War group received most of its schooling in the 1940s,..”

The Korean Veteran would have been inducted in the early 1950's right after high school. He would have received 10 out of 12 years of schooling in the 1940's. The statement is absolutely true.

23 posted on 09/02/2010 7:03:21 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

Read what I have to say at #15.

Damn fewer Americans wanted to die fighting for Korea in 1950, while many Americans, after Pearl Harbor was attacked, wanted to fight in WWII.


24 posted on 09/02/2010 7:08:04 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: SatinDoll
Shrug.

Percentage of persons 14 years old and over who were illiterate (unable to read or write in any language), by race and nativity: 1870 to 1979

Year Total White Black and other
Total Native Foreign-born
1870 20.0 11.5 79.9
1880 17.0 9.4 8.7 12.0 70.0
1890 13.3 7.7 6.2 13.1 56.8
1900 10.7 6.2 4.6 12.9 44.5
1910 7.7 5.0 3.0 12.7 30.5
1920 6.0 4.0 2.0 13.1 23.0
1930 4.3 3.0 1.6 10.8 16.4
1940 2.9 2.0 1.1 9.0 11.5
1947 2.7 1.8 11.0
1950 3.2
1952 2.5 1.8 10.2
1959 2.2 1.6 7.5
1969 1.0 0.7 3.6 *
1979 0.6 0.4 1.6 *
* Based on black population only
SOURCE: U.S. Department of Commerce, Bureau of the Census, Historical Statistics of the United States, Colonial Times to 1970; and Current Population Reports, Series P-23, Ancestry and Language in the United States: November 1979. (This table was prepared in September 1992.)

25 posted on 09/02/2010 7:22:16 PM PDT by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: SatinDoll
During WW II, Korea and Viet Nam, the draft was in effect.

This would introduce a significant degree of randomness into the inductees.

As one who was educated in the forties and fifties, my initial reaction was as yours.

Then, I got to thinking...

You'll admit, I'm sure, that there is an enormous difference between education in a rural and an urban environment. The rural students generally enjoy a huge advantage.

One population trend that began after WW II -- and continues thru today -- is that the rural population is moving to the city. Proportionately more children are educated in urban schools today than in rural schools.

Another trend is that, post WW II, teaching -- which had been a trade, began to morph into a profession. This was the heyday of the teacher's colleges and "scientific" approaches to education -- leaving practical experience and the three R's behind. "Institutions" replaced one-room schools. "Administration and overhead" became a line item in the budget.

The result, in my opinion, has been a general deterioration in the quality of the teaching.

For perspective, see what happened to journalism when it "progressed" from a trade to a profession.

26 posted on 09/02/2010 7:35:10 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: La Lydia

“That is the most appalling thing I have read in months.”

True, but my plate is full of problems right now.

Unfortunately, what the article describes is the source of most of those problems.


27 posted on 09/02/2010 8:02:50 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: okie01

Your observation is keen.

The highest high-school academic scores (including testing) in the entire State of Washington, is from the small rural community of Cathlamet, Washington. It is basically a farming/fishing/lumbering community located on the lower Columbia River.

Most of the students are from families who trace their ancestry back to 19th century immigrants from Scandanavia.


28 posted on 09/02/2010 9:38:23 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: SatinDoll

The Korean war was from 1950 to 1953. When did the majority of the footsoldiers get their education if not during the 1940’s?


29 posted on 09/02/2010 10:45:30 PM PDT by Don W (I keep some folks' numbers in my 'phone just so I know NOT to answer when they call...)
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To: Don W

Gee, Don — I acknowledged that already, in #22.

Cheers!


30 posted on 09/02/2010 10:47:41 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: AuntB; Grizzled Bear

Bump


31 posted on 09/02/2010 10:51:20 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others)
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To: AuntB

Thank you for posting informative book, though it needs more references. I may add some of the stats to my collection. http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/RevealingStatistics.html#Sec13


32 posted on 09/03/2010 4:32:19 AM PDT by daniel1212 ("Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19)
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To: AuntB; sionnsar

Public schools are public enemy # 1.

Obama is public enemy #2.


33 posted on 09/03/2010 7:13:22 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (((.Go troops! " Vote out RINOS. They screw you EVERY time" Jim Robinson)
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To: SatinDoll
The highest high-school academic scores (including testing) in the entire State of Washington, is from the small rural community of Cathlamet, Washington. It is basically a farming/fishing/lumbering community located on the lower Columbia River.

Most of the students are from families who trace their ancestry back to 19th century immigrants from Scandanavia.

Indeed, I'm not surprised. I grew up and went to school in a small farming town in Oklahoma. The county had been settled by folks who made The Run in '93 -- heavily German and Czech ethnicity.

It was a helluva school and, of the 28 in my senior class, 22 went on to graduate from college.

I don't doubt that, growing up, I was blessed by my environent.

Alas, nowadays, fewer children are blessed by such an environment.

34 posted on 09/03/2010 6:52:42 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: AuntB

It’s our duty to support the teachers unions and the teachers retirements...the dumbing down of our population is almost complete, thanks to them.

Be Ever Vigilant!


35 posted on 09/04/2010 10:17:19 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: AuntB

Yes, but they know what bugger means. What’s more important? /s

AuntB, it couldn’t be more clear that this nation is being destroyed on purpose.


36 posted on 09/04/2010 10:48:57 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (UniTea! It's not Rs vs Ds you dimwits. It's Cs vs Ls. Cut the crap & lets build for success.)
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To: SatinDoll

The Korean War broke out on June 25, 1950, with a massive multi-front attack by the North Korean Army across the 38th parallel.....


37 posted on 01/13/2011 9:58:01 PM PST by piasa
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To: piasa

Hello? This thread is from last September!!

A bit late, aren’t you?


38 posted on 01/13/2011 11:06:35 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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