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Obama could kill fossil fuels overnight with a nuclear dash for thorium
Telegraph [UK] ^ | 8/29/10 | Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Posted on 08/29/2010 12:01:55 PM PDT by Nachum

If Barack Obama were to marshal America’s vast scientific and strategic resources behind a new Manhattan Project, he might reasonably hope to reinvent the global energy landscape and sketch an end to our dependence on fossil fuels within three to five years. We could then stop arguing about wind mills, deepwater drilling, IPCC hockey sticks, or strategic reliance on the Kremlin. History will move on fast.

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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Thorium ping.


41 posted on 08/29/2010 5:33:54 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: SteamShovel

Me too. Here’s some basic research / links.

http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/thorium/2008/07/02/
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4971
http://energyfromthorium.com/lftradsrisks.html
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/ff_new_nukes/


42 posted on 08/29/2010 6:06:43 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom

>> I wonder how many other radioactive elements could be used to generate electricity.

What are you from outer space or something? Jeez, you dreamers are all alike...


43 posted on 08/29/2010 6:09:26 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: JSteff

Are people here calling thorium a harmless fuel genie?

We’re talking about nuclear power, here. We all know that uranium is radioactive, and dangerous, and we’ve been making electricity with uranium for years.

I guess one of the main advantages of thorium is that there’s apparently a lot of it. What did the article say, something like hundreds of thousands of years worth?


44 posted on 08/29/2010 6:11:31 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Gene Eric

What are you talking about?

Uranium is a radioactive element currently being used to generate electricity. Thorium can be as well. What about other ones?

I guess what you’re saying is that Thorium is so good that we don’t have to look any farther, that all of our potential energy problems are solved?

That may be so, if that’s what you’re saying.


45 posted on 08/29/2010 6:14:03 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom

Yes, I realize we have nuclear energy, and continued research in the field is a good thing.


46 posted on 08/29/2010 6:21:38 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: El Sordo
"Thorium cooks very similarly to U238. But it couldn’t fission like U235, IIRC.

The US wanted U235 and Plutonium, so Thorium research got pushed aside in favor of Uranium reactors.

That’s how I remember it anyway."

You are mostly correct Th232 by neutron capture becomes Th233 then by beta decay becomes protactinium 233 then by subsequent decay becomes uranium 233 which is fissile and a very good material for small tactical warheads as its properties care similar to pu239 but its spontaneous decay rates are low enough to allow a gun based weapon system as apposed to a implosion device needed for Pu239 the bare sphere mass for U233 to achieve supercritical is around 10kg this is almost identical to pu239.

we did test small warheads with U233 in the 1960's the problem is U232 is produced via decay and U232 is a very strong gamma emitter thus making assemblies and shielding become a issue for weapons using U233.

That said the Th232 to U233 fuel cycle is the only cycle that is capable of achieving a breed ratio of +1 in a light water reactor the Canadians have run a CANDU reactor with th233 fuel bundles and have achieved self breeding of U233 in a ratio needed to support self sustained fuel cycle namely a positive breed ratio. The CANDU design can go from first concrete pour to first fueling in less than 5 years as they have done this now 6 times on time and/or under budget for the Chinese.

47 posted on 08/29/2010 6:33:13 PM PDT by JD_UTDallas ("If you didn't grow it you mined it")
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To: PizzaDriver
"Going “carbon Free” is insanity!" The vast number of products that can be made from petroleum is precisely why burning it is insanity. If we got our energy from fissionables, we save our petroleum for the many vital things we can make from it.
48 posted on 08/29/2010 9:06:35 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: truthfreedom
Yes the thread was nearly waxing poetic about it. It may have mentioned a time frame, but I don't recall.

Don't get me wrong, I have been a proponent of nuclear power for years. The only reason we don't have it working better for us is the greenie factor in media, and congress.
49 posted on 08/29/2010 11:38:25 PM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: MV=PY
My google search was for thorium and radon. That left me seeing not a magical power source but the same old radon involved that we have had for years as a problem child. And since they are interrelated we seem to be stuck for one with the other.

And yes it does seem to be nearly everywhere. Solve the radon problem and leave the power and it is potentially a winner.
50 posted on 08/29/2010 11:46:28 PM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: seowulf

“...dual use programs...”

Our power reactors throughout the nation aren’t used to produce plutonium, are they? I read in wikipedia that the liquid thorium cycle won’t produce fissile material but a solid thorium cycle will, or something like that.

The world is waiting for a clean, safe source of electric power. There’s plenty of motivation to try to use thorium. Some technical difficulty is standing in the way.


51 posted on 08/30/2010 4:47:11 AM PDT by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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To: Nachum
This asshat is your typical Liberal, they still do not get that oil and coal is NOT just gas or electricity. Most all industry gets it's critical raw materials from Oil and Coal. Plastics, chemicals, etc, all are made from Oil. Coal produces Methanol and other critical components for industry. And above all else, without Coal, there would be no steel made for those Clown Cars that MaObama is mandating. Nor would there be Copper, plastics, carpet for the interior, or glass and rubber.

Do these idiot Marxists even begin to understand? (Dumb question.)

52 posted on 08/30/2010 4:56:52 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP ( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: JSteff
Solve the radon problem and leave the power and it is potentially a winner.

The radon problem solves itself, the half life of its most stable isotope (222Rn) is 3.8 days as an alpha emitter, it decays though several daughters into the form of 210Pb, which is what the waste material would be when it is stored. 210Pb has a half life of 22.3 years as a beta emitter, in this form it will end up as the stable isotope of lead, 206Pb.
53 posted on 08/30/2010 8:48:57 AM PDT by fallujah-nuker (My vote made a difference. Because of my vote an extra ballot in had to be stuffed in King County.)
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To: Nachum
Even better, team up with China and do it together, for all our sakes.

What a nut!

54 posted on 08/30/2010 3:31:50 PM PDT by LibWhacker (America awake!)
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To: The Comedian

His goal isn’t a switch to clean, green, free, groovy energy.

It is to funnel America’s wealth to the Wahhabists in Saudi Arabia.

Bump!


55 posted on 08/31/2010 4:39:30 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: The Comedian

Jeeze, Bump again!


56 posted on 08/31/2010 4:41:05 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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