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Obama could kill fossil fuels overnight with a nuclear dash for thorium
Telegraph [UK] ^ | 8/29/10 | Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Posted on 08/29/2010 12:01:55 PM PDT by Nachum

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To: November 2010

Wow. Let’s do it. Shame on the left for not promoting this.

This leftist blogger has been promoting thorium for years:

http://left-atomics.blogspot.com/


21 posted on 08/29/2010 1:19:02 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: Nachum

Someone needs to give us the downside of thorium-based reactors. There have to be some. Possibly the liquid fuel cycle is too touchy or the lifetime of the reactors is too short. It certainly can be done but economic considerations must be holding it back.

Please, please let’s not have our Federal Government throw billions of dollars toward a hoped-for a thorium-power breakthrough. We have over 70 years of nuclear research behind us. If thorium-based power production was clearly superior to uranium, we’d be using thorium now.


22 posted on 08/29/2010 1:19:08 PM PDT by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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To: BlazingArizona

Haven’t heard a word about thorium until today. The pols certainly aren’t talking about it. They are too busy funding programs to stop Chinese prostitutes from drinking alcohol in excess . . . in China.


23 posted on 08/29/2010 1:23:17 PM PDT by November 2010
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To: frposty
If thorium-based power production was clearly superior to uranium, we’d be using thorium now.

Nuclear power, like the space program, were dual use programs: i.e. both civilian and defense.

The technology for rockets to the moon applied to ballistic missiles used to carry nuclear warheads.

Uranium cycle reactors produce plutonium used to make the warheads. The thorium cycle produces no fissile material and is of little use to the defense side of the coin. That is why uranium became the fuel of choice. Thorium has the particular advantage in that it cannot be used to make warheads if it gets into the wrong hands.

24 posted on 08/29/2010 1:38:46 PM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: Nachum

Thorium cooks very similarly to U238. But it couldn’t fission like U235, IIRC.

The US wanted U235 and Plutonium, so Thorium research got pushed aside in favor of Uranium reactors.

That’s how I remember it anyway.


25 posted on 08/29/2010 1:41:32 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Nachum
naa it's much better to spend the billions researching AIDS and how best to use aborted fetuses. /s
26 posted on 08/29/2010 1:44:45 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Nachum

The guy that received the most from BP in the last twenty years, is not going to upset the apple cart.


27 posted on 08/29/2010 1:52:05 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Communities regularly fight the construction projects, Walmarts Starbucks and even tree removal.)
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To: Nachum

Good article.

It’s nice to know we really have nothing to worry about in the long run.

Whenever we think we have a real, serious problem, we can use Thorium.

We don’t have an energy problem, really, I guess. Good stuff.


28 posted on 08/29/2010 2:33:34 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: BenLurkin

Good grief!


29 posted on 08/29/2010 2:48:46 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: truthfreedom
We don’t have an energy problem, really...

True.....

.....Our problem is the left has shut down our truly affordable first step energy (domestic petroleum, coal, and conventional nuclear energy).

We have a political problem. The left wants America as we know it destroyed.

30 posted on 08/29/2010 2:54:12 PM PDT by SteamShovel (UTOPIA...Isn't)
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To: Nachum

“Let’s empty your bank account first to try it, wiseguy.”

It says in the article only $2 billion is needed to build one of these. That’s peanuts (Google alone has $30B cash on hand). If this were a no-brainer concept, one would think the private sector would leap on it. I’m all for clearing out whatever excessive regulations stand in the way of trying such plants out, but I think the history of government funding technology development is pretty dismal (remember synfuels plants under the Carter administration? How many taxpayer billions went down that rathole?).


31 posted on 08/29/2010 2:59:45 PM PDT by DrC
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To: seowulf

Neither Thorium nor Uranium production’s by-products are as versatile as those from coal or crude Oil.

Plastics,
Lubricants,
fertilizers,
inks, dyes, polymers, etc.

Get the IDEA?

Going “carbon Free” is insanity!


32 posted on 08/29/2010 3:06:14 PM PDT by PizzaDriver ( on)
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To: SteamShovel

It’s always good to have more information talking about how some new technology will solve our energy problems sometime in the future.

And sure, Obama and the Dems are glozis as are some RINOs.


33 posted on 08/29/2010 3:12:44 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: cranked
Yeah, apparently, Ambrose does not realize 1) the cost of the Manhattan Project....in relative 1940’s monetary terms,

After adjusting for inflation, you could fund dozens of "Manhattan Projects" for the cost of the various payoffs bailouts the Dems have squandered our grandchildren's money on.

34 posted on 08/29/2010 3:23:02 PM PDT by whd23 (Every time a link is de-blogged an angel gets its wings.)
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To: PizzaDriver
Neither Thorium nor Uranium production’s by-products are as versatile as those from coal or crude Oil.

Absolutely. Why would you want to waste perfectly good organic carbon feedstock by burning it?

Don't you think if that high quality feedstock for all of those useful products was not being burned, then the price of the crude would fall and in turn cause the price of the finished product to fall as well?

35 posted on 08/29/2010 3:33:35 PM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: seowulf

You’ve just nailed the issue on the head.

People need to remember that most of what went on inside the DOE in the 70’s and 80’s was weapons-related. The whole Carter-era hippy energy binge was just a diversion.

Matter of fact, I’d go so far as to predict that any alternative energy plans that actually work will not come out of the DOE.


36 posted on 08/29/2010 3:44:13 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: truthfreedom
It’s always good to have more information talking about how some new technology will solve our energy problems sometime in the future.

Agreed.

I'm interesting in the thorium question. Seems like we had a two branch road and followed only one. I think I will begin looking for answers.

37 posted on 08/29/2010 4:14:43 PM PDT by SteamShovel (UTOPIA...Isn't)
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To: SteamShovel

I wonder how many other radioactive elements could be used to generate electricity.


38 posted on 08/29/2010 4:37:47 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: PizzaDriver
PizzaDriver (and all those on the Thorium as a harmless plentiful fuel band wagon) Radon-222 is a member of the radioactive decay chain of uranium-238. Radon-220 is formed in the decay chain of thorium-232. Radon-222 decays in a sequence ... www.radon.com/radon/radon_facts.html

That is what I found when I looked up "Radon and Thorium" as a search in google. I thought it was to good to be true, Radon as a by product of Thorium is a dangerous (deadly!) annoyance I dealt with in Real Estate!! Not just a by-product, a nasty and potentially deadly by product!

So it seems there is no perfectly harmless fuel that will quickly solve our energy problems. To those who think it is the perpetual magical fuel source please tell us how it gets to the fuel state from the harmless fuel-genie many seemed to be making it out to be in this thread! ???????????

Documented potential lung cancer trigger, to fuel(????)... seems like a HUGE stretch and explains why it was ignored by most in the energy business!! Or have I read it wrong? Is there a simple step to get it to fuel we have not heard about?

Elucidate us so we can see the error of using the definitions of words, to properly form obvious (and seemingly) valid opinions and understandings!
39 posted on 08/29/2010 4:40:19 PM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: JSteff
"So it seems there is no perfectly harmless fuel that will quickly solve our energy problems."

Gosh, it seems like a bit of a stretch to do a google search on Thorium and come up with that conclusion.

Let's do our homework. A Freeper may just come up with a good solution and make a few bucks in the free market, even after taxes. Think big!! (Inspiration courtesy of a Sat morning with Glenn Beck).

Off to do a bit of research... ;-)
40 posted on 08/29/2010 5:11:59 PM PDT by MV=PY
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