The United Way, in the past has been a strong supporter of groups such as Planned Parenthood.
They are both losers.
Well, this is the time when Salvation Army should restore it’s connection to God and become a supporter of the good in society and disconnect from devil and evil. The United Way is the way of the devil. I would NEVER give to them.
Response; Can you point us to a source evidencing that TSA funds abortions. I was about to give them some money. My wife and I have given them many nice clothes, electronics etc. I will not support organizations funding or providing abortions.
Opinions and assertions on the internet aren't worth the paper they're written on.
Unless you can document that, I don't care what you think or do.
We've given to TSA over 45 years and that's the first I've seen or heard of that. Have you a source or link?
I checked their statement on abortion and they are against it advocating carrying to term. However, I am NOT a competent internet researcher and there may be reports I missed. In this day and age organizations can and will lie to get money. I do doubt TSA would lie they have always seemed straight.
I’m don’t believe that’s true. I do remember the charge was made they were somehow linked in some fashion to Planned Parenthood but I never saw any specifics or proof. I questioned the assertion but haven’t been able to find anything else. I find it hard to believe.
The Salvation Army as far as I know has always been above reproach. The United Way on the other hand can go pound sand.
“...Salvation Army is an organization that funds abortions...”
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Can you back that up?
Or are you just spouting off?
This was taken from Life Decisions International website:
The Boycott List (see above) includes a section called Dishonorable Mention, which lists seemingly innocuous nonprofit organizations that are involved with Planned Parenthood or otherwise active in the Culture of Death. Among the groups included are Outward Bound West, American Automobile Association (AAA), Kaiser Permanente, Dr. Phil Foundation, Lions Clubs, American Cancer Society, Easter Seals, Boys & Girls Clubs, Ronald McDonald House Charities, Camp Fire, Girls Inc., Girl Scouts, Kiwanis Clubs, March of Dimes, Muscular Dystrophy Association, Rotary Clubs, Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation, The Salvation Army, YWCA, America Gives Back (formerly [American] Idol Gives Back), YMCA, American Association of Retired Persons (AARP), American Diabetes Association. Involvement ranges from donating funds to pro-abortion groups (or allowing affiliates to do so), supporting anti-life causes, allowing pro-abortion groups access to membership, adopting an official pro-abortion policy position, and so forth.”
Very vague, I have no idea what the possible connection might be. Again, I just have difficulty believing the SA is actively supporting PP unless I see proof positive.
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Wagglebee, do you know if the above is correct?
“Salvation Army is an organization that funds abortions. “
?????? Where do you get that info?
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WOW! This makes me VERY sad.
The Salvation Army has been my favorite charity for most of my life.
I am hugely disappointed.
Salvation Army Ties to Planned Parenthood
http://fightpp.org/
“...Salvation Army is an organization that funds abortions...”
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Well?
I’m still waiting.
You should either back up your claim or withdraw it.
What will it be?
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http://www.salvationarmyethics.org/position-statements/abortion/
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The Salvation Army believes in the sanctity of human life because human beings are made in the image of God. Each person is of eternal value and each life a gift from God worth cherishing, nurturing, and preserving.The Salvation Army therefore takes seriously the needs, rights and responsibilities of parents and unborn children when considering the matter of abortion. We are committed to the protection and care of the unborn, and to the promotion of societal systems that promote wholeness, freedom, quality of life and the development of the potential of all persons.
The Salvation Army supports responsible measures necessary to avoid unwanted pregnancy and is opposed to abortion as a means of birth control. We are concerned about a growing social acceptance of abortions and believe that a genetic abnormality in the unborn child is not generally sufficient to warrant a termination of pregnancy.
When an unwanted pregnancy occurs, The Salvation Army counsels that the parents receive caring support for their emotional, physical, social and spiritual needs, and that the unborn child be carried to term.
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http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_hist1.htm
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Pro-life groups:
The Roman Catholic Church
The Southern Baptist Convention
African Methodist Episcopal Church
Assemblies of God
Church of God in Christ
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Church of the Nazarene
Eastern Orthodox churches
Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod.
Progressive National Baptist Convention
The Salvation Army
“...Salvation Army is an organization that funds abortions...”
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I have asked you several times to back up this assertion
and you have refused to do so.
I have asked you for evidence of your claim.
I have given you evidence to the contrary in posts #43 and #44.
I am asking the admin moderator to delete your slanderous post at #5;
unless you would like to provide evidence to back up your claim.
What’s it going to be?
Put up or shut up.
If I am wrong, I will admit it - will you?
topher, you've been around here for quite a while (and I've "seen" you before) and so you deserve some respect. But like others on this thread, I am surprised by your assertion.
I am not saying it is false, and will have to reconsider a lot if it is true, but if you could direct me (if nobody else) to support for the assertion, it would help.
Here is what I found on their website (not sure the link will work):
AbortionThe Salvation Army believes in the sanctity of all human life and considers each person to be of infinite value and each life a gift from God to be cherished, nurtured and redeemed. Human life is sacred because it is made in the image of God and has an eternal destiny. (Genesis 1:27) Sacredness is not conferred, nor can it be taken away by human agreement.
The Salvation Army deplores society's ready acceptance of abortion, which reflects insufficient concern for vulnerable persons, including the unborn. (Psalms 82:3-4)
The Salvation Army holds to the Christian ideals of chastity before marriage and fidelity within the marriage relationship and, consistent with these ideals, supports measures to prevent crisis pregnancies. It is opposed to abortion as a means of birth control, family planning, sex selection or for any reason of mere convenience to avoid the responsibility for conception. Therefore, when an unwanted pregnancy occurs, The Salvation Army advises that the situation be accepted and that the pregnancy be carried to term, and offers supportive help and assistance with planning.
The Salvation Army recognizes tragic and perplexing circumstances that require difficult decisions regarding a pregnancy. Such decisions should be made only after prayerful and thoughtful consideration, with appropriate involvement of the woman's family and pastoral, medical and other counsel. A woman in these circumstances needs acceptance, love and compassion.
When an abortion has taken place, The Salvation Army will continue to show love and compassion and to offer its services and fellowship to those involved.
The Salvation Army is on the 'Dishonorable Mention' section of the Boycott List for "refusing to take a clear public stand against abortion in cases of rape, incest, fetal deformity, etc., and some offices have funded Planned Parenthood."They are the topic of about a tenth of the emails we received in the month of December.
Their International Leader, General Shaw Clifton, is on record, in response to a yes/no question asking if the Salvation Army is against abortion:
"That's too simple. We are not as conservative as our catholic brothers and sisters. There are situations in which abortion is the lesser evil, for instance in cases of severe deformities of the foetus, [or] rape."
Our position is addressed in our newsletter, The Caleb Report, at: http://www.fightpp.org/downloads/pubs/May-June.pdf (see page 8)
General Clifton's full interview can be read here, at the Salvation Army's own website: http://www.salvationarmy.org/ihq/www_ihq_general.nsf/vw-dynamic-index/87BD3DF62F0F179F802572ED00564052?Opendocument
Quite honestly, anything beyond Gen. Clifton's interview is just 'more nails in the coffin'.
Sadly there are many Salvation Army supporters, volunteers and employees who simply don't know what is really happening. If a quote about the benefits of abortion on the Salvation Army's website, from, not a renegade employee, but their own leader, General Shaw Clifton, speaking on behalf of the organization, isn't enough to make someone think twice about supporting them, there isn't much we can do. The same applies to allowing access to Salvation Army facilities by Planned Parenthood, regardless of the reason; it also applies to the IPPF locations being supported by the Salvation Army.
In addition to General Clifton's speech, which, by the way, has yet to be retracted, there are also various Planned Parenthood locations listing The Salvation Army as a "Valued Partner", "Donor", etc. Also, there are Salvation Army 'community resource guides' listing Planned Parenthood under the health category, and Planned Parenthood newsletters stating that The Salvation Army has brought young girls to them.
The Salvation Army's own second in command, Commissioner Robin Dunster (who just retired in May 2010) was affiliated with Planned Parenthood; see the bottom of the page under "Further Reading", you will see that one of her credits is that of IPPF (International Planned Parenthood Federation): http://www1.salvationarmy.org.uk/uki/www_uki.nsf/vw-news/333003BE75FC8CD78025735500551DB7?opendocument
It is actually humorous (and sad) when you read what the Salvation Army of New Zealand has to say about tobacco use Vs. abortion. The tobacco opinion is short and to-the-point, but in the abortion standard there are loopholes;
Tobacco:
The Salvation Army is totally opposed to the production, marketing and use of tobacco.
Abortion:
The Salvation Army believes in the sanctity of all human life including that of the unborn child. It is opposed to abortion on demand or as a means of birth control.
As recently as last Fall, Planned Parenthood of NE Ohio was acknowledging the Salvation Army for allowing them access to their facilities.
See: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ppneo/images/NortheastOhio/NEO_Notes_Fa09.pdf
Even worse is this link to the Salvation Army in South Asia in which one of the 'Outreach/AID' programs is an "abortion workshop" (maybe they're trying to say "post-abortion counseling workshop", but that is NOT how the world will read it! We asked the Salvation Army in January to interpret this reference, but have yet to receive a response) see: http://www.salvationarmy.org/ihq/www_sa.nsf/vw-sublinks/B4DBFC2E9F3E25B880256E47007BCC93?openDocument
God bless you!
Life Decisions International