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New El Niño type: worse than we thought
Watts Up With That? ^ | August 28, 2010 | Anthony Watts

Posted on 08/28/2010 10:42:19 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: WestTexasWend

What’s happening with Iceland right now? I quit paying attention once my DH got back from Europe.


41 posted on 08/28/2010 1:14:28 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

... darn, just when I was getting used to global warming. Oh me, dig in the closet and get the jackets out again.


42 posted on 08/28/2010 1:17:47 PM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (If you aren't at Obama's Table, you are probably on the MENU! - The Patriot's Flag)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Any study of El Nino/La Nina that does not look at the pressure differentials between the Eastern and Western Pacific might as well be voodoo science. What generates the El Nino/La Nino cycle is pressure differentials. They are pressure cycles. The pressure determines the trade wind velocity. That velocity determines the shallow water sea current strength. These observations that were made may have been directly related to changes in the pressure differentials. Could have been magnitude changes or physical location changes of the pressure centers.

At any rate, Bastardi is predicting a Monster La Nina.

Ice Age Now link

Bastardi has a decent explanation for why the land temps were so high after this El Nino. My theory is that the sensors are biased and degraded. No way can the atmosphere be warmer then the last bigger El Nino. Which the story you linked above conveniently attempts to explain (The recent El Ninos are more central and deeper, blah, blah, blah.).

43 posted on 08/28/2010 1:22:33 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: little jeremiah

The latest I could find, from last weekend >>>

http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2010/08/22/iceland-volcano-has-cooled-enough-for-snow-to-settle/


44 posted on 08/28/2010 1:31:05 PM PDT by WestTexasWend
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
A recent study found many climate models predict such events will become much more frequent under projected global warming scenarios.

Do they mean those climate models that don't even predict the PAST correctly, when known data is inserted?

45 posted on 08/28/2010 1:31:42 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: justa-hairyape; Marine_Uncle
Be sure and see link at #33...

Dr. Tim Ball really whacks the IPCC.

Shutting down here till later this PM!

46 posted on 08/28/2010 1:31:46 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Good one. Guess I should modify my previous statement.

Any study of El Nino/La Nina that does not look at the pressure differentials between the Eastern and Western Pacific and changes in cloud albedo, might as well be voodoo science.

47 posted on 08/28/2010 1:53:35 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: WestTexasWend

Thank you. Will check it out.


48 posted on 08/28/2010 1:57:53 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Deviations from normal sea surface temperatures (left) and sea surface heights (right) at the peak of the 2009-2010 central Pacific El Niño, as measured by NOAA polar orbiting satellites and NASA's Jason-1 spacecraft, respectively........."measured changes in El Niño intensity since 1982."

And earth-climate changes and cycles have been a part of earth-climate history, for how long? Eons.

Yet, these "scientists" weigh some averages of this data, in the tiny time-span of 1982-present, as representing a "normal", and anything above those averages as above that "normal"?

Who told them they were "scientists"?

49 posted on 08/28/2010 2:45:39 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

On ALL AGW reports:

“Never have so many predicted so much based on so little!!!!” ©Wuli


50 posted on 08/28/2010 2:54:11 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Jack Hydrazine

In the middle of “summer”? In California? Certainly in March or April and maybe the beginning of May. But July and August?

No, the solution is to drive more SUVs and burn more coal!


51 posted on 08/28/2010 2:55:01 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“We can’t be 100% certain that this interpretation is correct because the data are limited and the models are imperfect. But it provides us a plausible working hypothesis for further investigation into the nature and impacts of a changing face to El Niño.”

So what does this say about AGW?

In other words, it is only as useful to practical climate predictions as string theory is to space exploration.©Wuli


52 posted on 08/28/2010 3:01:10 PM PDT by Wuli
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53 posted on 08/28/2010 7:13:51 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Michelle Obama: the woman who ended "Diners, Drive-ins and Dives.")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Okay; #7 is what I remember reading about here & there, recently.

So just who killed La Nina, when; and stuck her brother in to sub for her?

Hope I’m not the only one confused by seeing this new article.


54 posted on 08/28/2010 7:36:13 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: EggsAckley
My veggies look SO confused.....

I was in Michigan this week while we had some heat in the bay area. My Michigan customer was selling tomatoes at his store and because of their hot humid weather those tomatoes looked bodacious. A woman came in and bought a basket and commented this year's crop has been one of the best in memory.

55 posted on 08/28/2010 7:52:44 PM PDT by A message
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To: chooseascreennamepat

Hey, I’m doing that already... ;^)


56 posted on 08/28/2010 9:05:35 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (UniTea! It's not Rs vs Ds you dimwits. It's Cs vs Ls. Cut the crap & lets build for success.)
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To: The Antiyuppie

Agreed.


57 posted on 08/28/2010 9:06:21 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (UniTea! It's not Rs vs Ds you dimwits. It's Cs vs Ls. Cut the crap & lets build for success.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; livius; DollyCali; IrishCatholic; meyer; SteamShovel; Desdemona; ...
Thanx Ernest_at_the_Beach !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

58 posted on 08/29/2010 9:45:24 AM PDT by steelyourfaith ("Release the Second Chakra !!!!!!!" ... Al Gore, 10/24/06)
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To: The Great RJ
George Bush’s fault and certainly caused by global warming not to mention Glen Beck’s rally in Washington which is disturbing the earths vibrations. (sarcasm)

And what's this I hear about Karl Rove's hurricane machine being fired up again?

59 posted on 08/29/2010 11:57:49 AM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Check out the rebuttal to this article now up at WUWT. Looks like the reporting of the article and the article itself were much worse then we first thought.

Tisdale rebuttal to JPL’s “Study Finds El Niños are Growing Stronger”

We are definitely square in the middle of the Progressive Dark Ages.

60 posted on 08/30/2010 4:16:25 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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