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Nine Percent Is Now Full Employment in America (Is this the new normal we'll have to get use to?)
Seeking Alpha ^ | 08/27/2010 | Michael James McDonald

Posted on 08/27/2010 6:16:52 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Without excessive government or consumer spending - which can only create temporary jobs - we believe 9% is now close to full employment in America. Although this statement is initially somewhat shocking, we've been expecting it and only recently realized why it took so long to finally show up.

For ten years - from 1998 to 2008 - excess consumer spending, which amounted to about $400 billion a year, created millions of temporary but really nonessential jobs. This somewhat artifical job production masked for ten years the damage being done to America from the loss of 20 million jobs to overseas labor. There are only so many products and services people really need and too many of them were now made overseas. When consumer spending and savings came back to normal levels, the nonessential temporary jobs disappeared exposing the employment damage.

If we are right, it represents a major wakeup call and the consequences to both business and real estate forecasting are profound. So are the political ramifications.

The problem is Globalization. Globalization, while good for multinational companies, is known to be very damaging to employment levels in developed countries like America and Great Britain as millions of productive jobs move to developing countries like India and China.

The Process of Globalization Brings Country "Normalization"

The process of globalization helps bring about “normalization” in the world – a leveling of standards of living from country to country. For this to happen standards of living in developed countries must suffer a little while the developing countries move up rapidly. From a world view that’s good – from an individual country view it may not be.

But it doesn’t start out this way. At first globalization seems a blessing. Many essential items cost less so more money is available to spend on services and the niceties of life – life gets better, one feels “richer.“ But as the outflow of jobs to foreign countries continues this view changes. After a while it becomes hard to replace all the lost jobs with meaningful ones. Unemployment rises.

A Warning from Warren Buffet

Many people estimate that we’ve lost about 20 million jobs to foreign countries over the last twenty years. If we no longer make something we have to import it, and the 700 billion dollar trade deficit simply reflects this. In January of 2006 Warren Buffet said, “The U.S. trade deficit is a bigger threat to the domestic economy than either the federal budget deficit or consumer debt and could lead to ‘political turmoil.’ Pretty soon, I think there will be a big adjustment.” At the time few cared or even noticed since unemployment remained low.

Global Forces Now Dominate

This view about American employment highlights something we firmly believe – that global conditions and factors now control the American economy more than what is happening internally. It also puts in doubt the tried and true, standard solutions the government uses. Stimulation packages no longer work because there is now little to stimulate. They are using old internal solutions to fix an economy now controlled by external conditions. Until the government faces this and begins to solve the real issue – the long term detrimental effects of globalization on the American economy – nothing significant can occur.

We think this paradigm is very close to the correct view and it carries many important forecasting consequences. Forecasting is always difficult. It must be done as honestly as possible with no bias or consideration for political correctness or whether the forecast will be accepted or believed. Many economists error here, using old, safe economic models, or they simply follow a consensus. In their eyes – and they’re probably right - its better job security; if the forecast proves wrong they can’t be criticized. But then money is lost as the forecast fails.

A Bull Market With High Unemployment

Investors must stop fixating on American employment, thinking we can’t have a recovery and bull market without it.

First, if 9% is full employment, we are pretty much at full recovery right now. Don’t expect a lot more - but don't expect a second dip either. Second, over half of the S&P 500 earnings now come from overseas operations and because of foreign growth, you could have long term earnings growth and an American bull market even if unemployment stayed right here at 9%.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: emplyment; job; jobless; unemployment
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1 posted on 08/27/2010 6:16:59 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Hell no. People are operating on their last nerve as it is.


2 posted on 08/27/2010 6:18:05 PM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: SeekAndFind

Welcome to New Europe.


3 posted on 08/27/2010 6:19:35 PM PDT by NotSoFreeStater (If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice)
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To: Marty62

If we let the Baraqqis and the MSM define it, yes this is “normal”

Republicans would be well advised to take this hammer and bludgeon Dems from now to November.


4 posted on 08/27/2010 6:21:03 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks again, government, for taxing and regulating our nations jobs away.


5 posted on 08/27/2010 6:22:19 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: SeekAndFind

“officially” 14% in my county.


6 posted on 08/27/2010 6:23:09 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: SeekAndFind

I begin to think he is right.


7 posted on 08/27/2010 6:24:58 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: nascarnation
Republicans would be well advised to take this hammer and bludgeon Dems from now to November.

Sean Hannity's program today devoted a whole segment to finance where he had FOX NEWS Business Host Stuart Varney as guest.

When he was asked how the US economy can grow and unemployment fall once again, Varney said that the solution is now entirely up to the American voters in 67 days.

Varney says we've exhausted all Keynesian solutions and the best hope is a change of government. In other words, the solution is now POLITICAL.
8 posted on 08/27/2010 6:28:52 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: nascarnation
Republicans would be well advised to take this hammer and bludgeon Dems from now to November.

Exactly what my candidate is doing.

From tonight's email

Where are the Jobs Mark Schauer Promised?

Mark Schauer promised the $862 billion stimulus "will create 109,000 much-needed Michigan jobs and at least 7,900 jobs right here in the 7th district" (click here to read his promise), but 70,800 Michigan jobs have been lost (click here to read the data). Additionally, 7th District counties have lost 9,760 jobs since the stimulus.

Mark Schauer promised that spending $862 billion in borrowed money would create 109,000 Michigan jobs, but over 70,000 jobs have been lost. Michigan families cannot afford Mark Schauer's big government agenda that has added trillions to our national debt and destroyed jobs. Where are the jobs Mark Schauer promised?

In contrast to Mark Schauer, I will work to restrain government spending and reduce the tax burden across the board to encourage job creation and improve our economy. We need to reverse the course in Washington D.C. and start rewarding hard work, investment, entrepreneurship and job creation to help south central Michigan families.

9 posted on 08/27/2010 6:31:00 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: SeekAndFind

How many employable people are sitting on their butts and not being included in the count for various reasons?


10 posted on 08/27/2010 6:32:16 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Nine Percent Is Now Full Employment in America (Is this the new normal we'll have to get use to?)"

SAys who?

It may be normal for democrats, but not for the rest of us.

Get the government out of the way, and stand back.
11 posted on 08/27/2010 6:33:02 PM PDT by FrankR (It doesn't matter what they call us, only what we answer to....)
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To: SeekAndFind

Then 10% of all local, state and federal employees should be laid off. And lay off 10% of all media. Let’s see how “normal” they’ll feel that is.


12 posted on 08/27/2010 6:33:14 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes.

Along with zero to 1% GNP growth per year, increased market volatility, tight credit, the possibility of inflation, and growth limited to emerging regions.

Google “the new normal” for more info.


13 posted on 08/27/2010 6:41:07 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: SeekAndFind

Sadly he’s pretty much right. You can only export away so much of your labor force before it reaches a tipping point where there aren’t enough people that can afford to buy the “cheaper” goods you shipped away the jobs to manufacture. A nation of burger flippers can’t afford the old factory wage lifestyle.


14 posted on 08/27/2010 6:46:12 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: SeekAndFind
The problem is Globalization

Absolute, unmitigated crap.

It isn't the cost of labor that drove manufacturing offshore. It was the government. Let me say that again....IT WAS THE GOVERNMENT. It IS the government. The government has been making it impossible to run a business profitably. And it is getting worse daily.

15 posted on 08/27/2010 6:46:25 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there.)
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To: cripplecreek

Yep. 9% would be bad enough it it were really only 9%. Not the 18% it is, the 18% that the government is wishing away with statistical flim flammery.


16 posted on 08/27/2010 6:49:56 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there.)
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To: NotSoFreeStater

Remember when 4% unemployment under Bush was the Worst Economy EVER!


17 posted on 08/27/2010 6:59:13 PM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Many people estimate that we’ve lost about 20 million jobs to foreign countries over the last twenty years. If we no longer make something we have to import it, and the 700 billion dollar trade deficit simply reflects this. In January of 2006 Warren Buffet said, “The U.S. trade deficit is a bigger threat to the domestic economy than either the federal budget deficit or consumer debt and could lead to ‘political turmoil.’ Pretty soon, I think there will be a big adjustment.” At the time few cared or even noticed since unemployment remained low” Most of that was the import of oil, which the gov is doing everything in their power to destroy our ability to provide domestic energy..


18 posted on 08/27/2010 7:03:17 PM PDT by richardtavor
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To: SeekAndFind

Hell it is 12% here but I know that is a small number compared to reality.


20 posted on 08/27/2010 7:11:10 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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