“There Is No Such Thing as ‘Moderate’ Islam.” Continued Conversations with Nonie Darwish

Pajamas Media ^ | January 19, 2009 | Phyllis Chesler

[george76]

My hope is for the West to understand the threat that Islamic Sharia law poses to their democracy, their concept of equality under the law and their human rights values. The West should never allow Sharia to be practiced in Western democracies...

The term “moderate Muslim” was created in the West. In the Muslim world there is nothing called moderate or radical Muslims or moderate or radical mosques. You are either a Muslim or not. ..

Islamic Law has slammed shut every door and window; any reform of Islam is punishable by death...

Islam has been aggressively expanding in the last four or five decades mainly due to the empowerment of Arabs from petrodollars. In the book I have a chapter on the example of Egypt, which was a Christian (Byzantine) superpower the Middle East before it was Arabized and Islamized by the sword.

I am not sure about the future of Islam in the West since that depends on the West... I am not sure if the West, especially Europe, is willing to stand up and fight for its values of freedom and democracy.

What stands in the way of reform is also the petrodollars that are financing many radical Muslim groups masquerading as “moderate.” Also some members of the far left in the West are extremely supportive of radical Islam and do not want to hear anything about the oppression of Muslim women, Middle East Christians or Jews in the Middle East. Certain elements of the far left are actually standing in the way of progress of Islam and against reformers such as myself and others. That is a major problem.

[truthguy]

Geert Wilders says exactly the same thing. There may be some moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.

[BigFinn]

If you want to see Sharia in action, please view the recent movie, "The Stoning of Sayora". It's hard to watch but very necessary to see Sharia in action.

click here and scroll down to that entry. the movie is there.

[highlander_UW]

We now have a definition of “moderate” muslims because the left assure us that this pro-terrorist imam is a moderate muslim...so there's your definition.

[maine yankee]

Everthing I need to know about islam,

I learned on 9/11.

[arthurus]

Islam always surges in conquest when the rulers are rich and fades into lethargy when the riches are gone and the armies destroyed.

[rambo316]

I beg to differ, We are not a democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic founded on Republican principles.

[hosepipe]

“If a muslim changes his religion.... KILL HIM”- Mohammad(you know the main one)..

[Eye of Unk]

Interesting little rumor, why is Obamas past so much a secret?

He renounced Islam, he only fakes at being a Muslim so they won’t issue a fatwa against him.

He secretly started going to the Kingdom Hall of Jehovahs Witnesses and is a very devout reader of the “Awake”! and “Watchtower”.

[highlander_UW]

Actually, the left has been very helpful in defining what a “moderate” muslim is. They say the ground zero imam is a moderate, and he refuses to denounce terrorist groups such as hamas. So apparently a moderate muslim, according to liberals at least, is a muslim who supports (either explicitly or tacitly) terrorists but doesn't actually commit terrorist acts themselves.

[combat_boots]

Exactly. One message for Westerners. Another for the Islamic world. I was just thinking people need to understand the vocab of sharia and how its imposition or adoption is absolutely antithetical to the principles of American and Western values.

I was personally recruited in my younger years to studies of Islamic jurisprudence, especially as it relates to American law. Amazing that I can even talk about this now. You have no idea how long I have not done so, although I have written and encouraged others. 9/11 even has a personal reference for me outside of 2001. This whole thing is just beyond believable from my personal perspective.

Here's a breakdown, in categories. Please feel free to post widely.

Shari'a components:

1. KORAN or QURAN

2. Transcribed Sayings of Mohammad, known as 'HADITH' (Note: these are ALL attributions).

3. FATWAS & QIYA (analogy) Legal or, religious rulings by a qadi (judge) or mullah Note: qadis are legal scholars. Imams or mullahs (depending on the Shi'i/Sunni point of view are religious. There may be other names, but the leadership is divided in many instances, unless the regional government is actually simply a question of the strong man/warlord tradition, which is extremely common in the Middle East, as we know.

4. IJMA (Reference: 'IJMA' means consensus, that is, acceptance of a matter by a specified group of people. In Islamic jurisprudence (fiqh) the matter on which ijma' is of interest is understood in one of the two following ways:

--Any matter related to Shari'ah(1)

--Any matter (of interest to Muslims)(2)

The group involved in the consensus is understood in the following ways, in which an exception is made for children and those who suffer from mental disorder:

--All Muslims of all times(3)

--All Muslims of a particular time(4)"

See: ijma )

5. SHURA or social/tribal practices of the community (umma) (Reference: "For other uses of "Shura", see Shura (disambiguation). Shura (Arabic: شورى shūrā) is an Arabic word for "consultation". It is believed to be the method by which pre-Islamic Arabian tribes selected leaders and made major decisions. (NB: See above discussion on ijma.)

Shura is mentioned twice in the Quran as a praiseworthy activity, and is a word often used in the name of parliaments in Muslim-majority countries. See Wikipedia: shura)

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"The Islamic Sharia

I. Great Hadith Passage #1: “The Night Journey and Miraj”

II. Components of Sharia

A. Definition of Sharia

B. Ijma as a third guiding principle beyond Qur'an and Hadith

1. The relationship of Ijma to Shura

2. The relationship of Ijma to Ijtihad (Ijtihad (Per Wikipedia--Arabic: اجتهاد‎, ’iğtihād) is a technical term of Islamic law that describes the process of making a legal decision by independent interpretation of the legal sources, the Qur'an and the Sunnah. The opposite of ijtihad is taqlid, Arabic for "imitation"

Reference: Article on components of Sharia

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BBC propagandist writings: BBC article on Sharia

[combat_boots]

But Arab (Saudi, UAE, Dubai, etc) interests are also invested in One World Trade Center. And, what will be there? The hajji hotel for 911?

Just how big is the Hagia Sophia complex anyway?

THink about it.

[oneamericanvoice]

I respect Geert Wilders and Nonie Darwish greatly. The question that I have is, where do Muslims who don’t go to mosque, wear western clothing, only do prayers on Friday, observe only parts of the Ramadan fast, etc fit into the landscape?

[patriot08]

Every “moderate” Muslim is a potential terrorist. The belief in Islam is like a tank of gasoline. It looks innocuous, until it meets the fire. For a “moderate” Muslim to become a murderous jihadist, all it takes is a spark of faith.

It is time to put an end to the charade of “moderate Islam.” There is no such thing as moderate Muslim. Muslims are either jihadists or dormant jihadists – moderate, they are not.
Ali Sina
Faith Freedom International

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[SERKIT]

FROM Muslims Against Shari'a WEBSITE

What is a moderate Muslim? According to a dictionary, a moderate is a person who is opposed to radical or extreme views or measures, especially in politics or religion. Yet, majority of the public seem to be struggling with the definition of a moderate Muslim. Perhaps we can make this task easier by defining a radical Muslim and then defining the moderate as an opposite of the radical.

Below is a list of issues that differentiate moderate Muslims from Islamic radicals. Hopefully you can help us grow this list.

Issue	Radical	Moderate
Anti-Semitism	Yes	No
Caliphate	Pro	Against
Criticism of Islam	No	Yes
Deceiving non-Muslims	Yes	No
Democracy	Against	Pro
Dhimmitude for non-Muslims	Pro	Against
Every deed (and word) of Prophet Muhammad (according to Ahadith) was noble and is worthy of emulation	Yes	No
Freedom of (from) Religion	Against	Pro
Gender equality	Against	Pro
Gihad	Pro	Against
Government	Religious	Secular
Islamic reformation	Against	Pro
Islamic supremacy	Pro	Against
Israel	Against	Pro / Neutral
Koran over Constitution	Yes	No
Reaction to criticism of Islam or Prophet Muhammad	Anger / Violence	Reason / No reaction
Religious equality	Against	Pro
Requirement for religious clothing (burqa, veil, etc.)	Pro	Against
Sharia	Pro	Against
Terrorism	Pro / Neutral	Against
Theocracy	Pro	Against
Universal Human Rights	Against	Pro
Use of terms such as "Islamic terrorism" or "Islamofascism"	Object	Accept
Whitewashing terrorism	Yes	No

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I think "moderate Muslim" is a false premise.