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What would founders do about New York mosque?
Florida Times Union ^ | at 8/19/2010 12:28:00 PM | Parvez Ahmed

Posted on 08/23/2010 10:50:15 AM PDT by DBCJR

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To: DBCJR

What a silly concept for an article. At the first hint that a mosque was going up, the New York mob would have lynched everyone involved and then went on a rampage killing Jews and blacks for good measure. The question never would have made it to the attention of the Founders.


41 posted on 08/23/2010 11:16:30 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard
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To: DBCJR

I might be a bigot but I’m not going to have the intent of the founding fathers explained to me by anyone named “Ahmed”.


42 posted on 08/23/2010 11:16:40 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: DBCJR

Freedom of religion is indeed sacrosanct.

But Islam is not primarily a religion at this time. It is a political death squad. It is official. Their official book, their official imams, and their actual actions when they are in power are all ample evidence.

There is no special protection for political death squads.


43 posted on 08/23/2010 11:17:00 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Wurlitzer

Koch and Moynihan had my respect, even if there were a point or three we might argue over. This guy Bloomberg is an absolute loon.


44 posted on 08/23/2010 11:18:51 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (HM2/USN M/3/3 Marines RVN '66-'67)
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To: Persevero

The history of the Spanish branch of Islam is to be co-opted to promote the Saudi/Wahhabi radical form of Islam. But all Islam is aimed at complete and utter domination of the world to Sharia Law. There is no peaceful side, no gentle side to ultimate 4th or 5th century barbarism as promoted by all of Islam.


45 posted on 08/23/2010 11:20:24 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Dem voters, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when deceived.)
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To: 2banana
"George Washington, ... "a government which to bigotry gives no sanction, to persecution no assistance"

So, George is against the Mosque too.

46 posted on 08/23/2010 11:20:39 AM PDT by hometoroost (I'm sorry did you say "post racial" president or "most racial" president?)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

He was a CAIR Chairman. See the Vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP-czMu73uU&feature=related


47 posted on 08/23/2010 11:24:20 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: DBCJR

I agree with every poster on this thread.

Our founding fathers would wipe them out and we MUST do the same.

Sadly, I must break there from this fantasy and tell you a stern and sobering truth many do not wish to hear.

We will NOT!

America IS over. Done. Gone. Never coming back. Iran will soon HAVE and then USE the bomb and we are “those who dwell in safety in the coastal lands” spoken of by the Prophet Ezekiel in Chapters 38 and 39.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

Their children will not cower in fear of our planes and tanks and bombs, OUR Children will wonder WHY we never used them. Why with all our might we DID NOTHING and just let them kill us and take over. Our children will never understand Political Correctness because they will ONLY understand slavery.

This is the future. You can pretend otherwise, you can say I have “given up”, you can make all sorts of bravado, but the facts are, we will die.

Te only choice is what WE who know the truth will DO to protect ourselves and our children in this coming new world order.


48 posted on 08/23/2010 11:24:57 AM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: ClearBlueSky

Amen, especially since Islamofascist (Muslims ) don’t even recognized the U.S Constitution.


49 posted on 08/23/2010 11:27:04 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: Liberty Valance
Islam is a death cult ... not a religion.

And is hell bent on turning the center of liberty and property rights upside down. Therefore, the equivalent question is: Would the founding fathers in, say, 1790, allow the construction of a British palace or fort next to the American capital?

50 posted on 08/23/2010 11:28:55 AM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the world safe for Marxism)
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To: DBCJR

Google the Nazi Connection to Modern Islam by Chuck Morse. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was in Germany and wanted the Luftwaffe to bomb Jerusalem which had a Jewish majority population at the time. He was tried and convicted in abstensia at Nuremberg.


51 posted on 08/23/2010 11:29:37 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: DBCJR
What would founders do about New York mosque?

I'd think that the Founders would have had a strong sense of community, and of the "church" being a central gathering point for the community, and would wonder why the people behind this mosque were locating it far away from the community that it is supposed to serve.

-PJ

52 posted on 08/23/2010 11:36:44 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: RachelFaith

This woman will fight!
My little girl will not be covered in a black body-bag for the rest of her life.
I would rather see us mark our doors and let the squads go door to door to drag out every Muslim in this country than live the life you describe.
BETTER TO DIE ON YOUR FEET THAN LIVE ON YOUR KNEES!


53 posted on 08/23/2010 11:38:00 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: DBCJR
We are at war with the entirety of Islam.

Islam is a cult. A perversion of religion and politics that is murderous to its very core.

Using Political Correctness the Muzzies think they have won and if this Mosque is allowed to be built, and is built, it will confirm their belief. They are building a victory monument on their newly conquered territory.

54 posted on 08/23/2010 11:43:07 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: omega4412

Ahmed quoted Washington’s letter to the Jewish congregation in Newport RI, but conveniently left out a key part:
“...the Government of the United States , which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.”

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Very good eye! With freedom and rights come responsibility. This Imam called us equally guilty to the 9/11 perpetrators as terrorists. Now, Hillary has funded him going to the Middle East on our tax dollars to get him out of the news and portray him as a supporter of the US.


55 posted on 08/23/2010 11:43:39 AM PDT by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: DBCJR

They would of responded something like this:

“It’s not the Government’s role in deciding if a Church, Mosque, Synagogue, or Temple can be built on private land. It must be left up to the good people of New York and their elected officials, who have complete control and responsibility over local zoning ordinances, and who understand best the sensitivities of people who live and work in the down-town region near ground zero.”


56 posted on 08/23/2010 11:45:48 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: DBCJR
This is a mosque supported and pushed for as a founding imam who immediately after muslims flew planes into the towers proclaimed America was responsible for the devastation.

Of course it makes sense to question the mosque's location.

and OF COURSE it is evident to anyone with a brain that the move is insensitive and horrific.

Does the Islamic community REALLY want people who visit ground zero and who will be visiting the future memorial there to see the spires of an ISLAMIC MOSQUE? To hear the wailing from the turrets loud speaker as muslims are reminded to pray? Is this IN YOUR FACE move meant to heal? Or is it meant to remind those visiting that Islam rules?

And since it is KNOWN to most well read and interested people that Islam ALWAYS builds a mosque on or over or beside the place where they have made a CONQUEST- what are people with common sense and deep sympathy for those who lost loved ones and friends supposed to think?

People who do NOT BELIEVE, such as myself, that ANY ISLAMIC building anywhere NEAR the site of that tragedy are not wrong thinking. Quite the contrary. THey are sensitive to those who were murdered and their families and friends.

Not only are those who would support the building of this piece of conquest out of place in their thinking but cruel to boot.

The names the left are using to define those of us that believe this is a very bad idea should SCOFF at the cries of bigotry and racism. What a bunch of hogwash.

Bigots? Hardly.

Racists? Since when is islam a race?

Let all who support another mosque in NY give the imam money to build it somewhere else....or better yet...directly ask him why the ONE HUNDRED other mosques in NYC are not used to build this community friendship blather.

Common sense is the rule and our founding Fathers would NEVER grant such a move to people who have STATED that their goal is to turn America into a cesspool ruled by sharia law.

Any muslim who is an American should have to sign a oath to NOT join any religious organization that supports the overthrow of our rule of law. That is, of course, our precious Constitution.

Questions about the sharia goal---just check out what is happening in Canada and England.

57 posted on 08/23/2010 11:49:49 AM PDT by Republic (Is it even possible that uhbama is really as totally inept as he appears? My gosh! He is a joke.)
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To: NavyCanDo

My point EXACTLY. The First Amendment says, “Congress shall pass no law...” Doesn’t say a word about the states or local government.


58 posted on 08/23/2010 11:50:15 AM PDT by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: himno hero

bttt


59 posted on 08/23/2010 11:53:49 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (BP was founder of Cap & Trade Lobby and is linked to John Podesta, The Apollo Alliance and Obama)
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To: C210N; Liberty Valance; Republic; NavyCanDo; omega4412; OldMissileer; ClearBlueSky; RachelFaith; ...

“And is hell bent on turning the center of liberty and property rights upside down. Therefore, the equivalent question is: Would the founding fathers in, say, 1790, allow the construction of a British palace or fort next to the American capital?”

Obama was most strategic in doing away with the official vernacular of the “War on Terror”. With such, the mosque might be viewed as establishing a military base on the beach after a successful invasion. It is a well known fact that terrorists are recruited in such venues, and where more inspiring than Ground Zero?


60 posted on 08/23/2010 11:53:49 AM PDT by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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