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To: cothrige; This Just In; Markos33; humblegunner; jessduntno; EternalVigilance
"One stray word from anyone on the opposing side and we will never be able to get away from it. I worry that conservatives often don't understand the delicacy these things require and will end up giving too many opportunities to the enemy to turn our words and actions against us."

As I read your post, the word that jumps out at me is "enemy."

We agree, although I suspect that you are not using the word in the way that I do.

Islam is the enemy. This is not a war on "terror." You can't go to war with an abstract noun. We are at war with a fanatic and implacable enemy, who is willing to pursue the objective of conquering, by any means necessary, our entire civilization and seeing to its subsequent deconstruction.

They are willing to die to the last man to do it. I do not recognize that any adherent to Islam has any rights, to property or anything else, within the borders of the US.

They are all, in my view, enemy combatants, although some are far deeper undercover than others. In the case of the Imam who is raising funding for this Victory Mosque, he isn't even pretending to be one of those "moderate" Muslims which we hear so much about, but who vanish into the woodwork whenever their radical brothers start piling up the bodies.

This is a monument, not a place of worship (unless you count worshiping Death as a legitimate form of religious expression.) Allowing its construction is tantamount to surrendering our rights to life liberty and property within our own borders, since Islam will brook no coexistence with any other form of law, government or social order other than its own.

As for delicacy, I really don't care what the enemy does with my words, or anyone else's. I care what they do with guns, bombs, sticks, knives and stones. I intend to deny them the opportunity to use any of the above here, or anywhere else that free people live.

So sorry for the "indelicacy" of my attitude.
52 posted on 08/21/2010 10:15:35 AM PDT by shibumi (Pablo is Miley- wily, clever and detractive as all get out!)
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To: shibumi
As I read your post, the word that jumps out at me is "enemy."

I used that particular word within a narrow context. I understand your feelings here, and many of them I share. However, there are more conflicts going on right now than just that with Islam, of any stripe. There is a political war waging in America, and we are losing it. The Left is using Islam, or so it thinks, to further its own cause, and right now they are tied together. Any ammunition of a political nature we give to the political enemy will in turn be used to serve the enemy abroad.

This mosque is an important issue, but we are actually working right now to serve the people who wanted it to be so important. We could have struck a fine line between recognising the intention of those seeking to build it, and taking no action which the political enemy here at home could use to distract the people from what is really going on. This is a very common approach for the Left. They stir the pot and then wait for somebody to say something indelicate and then that, not the real issue, becomes the focus of all discussion.

Consider Joe the Plumber. During the election Obama said something so stupid, so retarded, that it was screaming for attention. However, people like Sean Hannity decided to play right into the Left's hands and focussed on the personality of the man who asked the question, and thereby gave a free pass to the media to ignore the actual words of the candidate, i.e. Obama. Over and over we let the Left guide the conversation, or set the terms of the debates, and then we act surprised when they keep taking the focus away from the relevant points.

The Left is the enemy. They hate us and will stop at nothing to hurt our cause. We have to be careful. This mosque discussion is growing too big and could turn on us. If anyone does or says anything which the media can make the new issue then we will have no way to make headway in the discussion. We have to remember that when fighting a political war only political weapons matter, and we keep shooting ourselves in the feet.

53 posted on 08/21/2010 11:03:00 AM PDT by cothrige
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To: shibumi; cothrige; This Just In; Markos33; humblegunner; EternalVigilance

“Islam is the enemy ... We are at war with a fanatic and implacable enemy ... They are willing to die to the last man to do it.”

We need to be good hosts and oblige them. Just the other day, here on this board, someone said “what are we supposed to do, kill them all?”

Yes. Let’s start with the bloody murderers in custody and keep moving, wherever and whenever possible.


54 posted on 08/21/2010 11:08:10 AM PDT by jessduntno (The Grand Old Potty needs to be flushed ... vote Conservative in November.)
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