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Ultraviolet light reveals how ancient Greek statues really looked [Amazing Tech!]
Gizmodo ^ | 20 August, 2010 | Gizmodo

Posted on 08/20/2010 12:31:24 PM PDT by James C. Bennett

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To: James C. Bennett; SunkenCiv
Thanks for the post and ping. This is cool stuff!

The British were at times destructive, for sure, Civ. When they found the upper relieving chambers in the Great Pyramid they wrote graffiti on the walls to commemorate themselves.

61 posted on 08/20/2010 6:17:13 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Nightshift

gnip


62 posted on 08/20/2010 7:08:46 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: colorado tanker

They added to it anyway. :’) There’s an ancient painted graffito in one of those relieving chambers (come to think of it, we’re probably lucky no one relieved themselves in those) — “how mighty is the great white crown of Khufu (work) gang”.


63 posted on 08/20/2010 7:18:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("The bad jazz a cat blows wails long after he's cut out." -- Lord Buckley)
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To: DTogo

Awesome flick. Harryhuasen!!!

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64 posted on 08/20/2010 7:21:53 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
It wasn't that they couldn't see the colors. They didn't have names for the colors. What was blue to us included purple to them. Of course, I can see them doing the #800020-dark sea.
65 posted on 08/20/2010 7:56:48 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: Mountain Bike Vomit Carnage

LOLLLLLLLLLL


66 posted on 08/20/2010 11:03:03 PM PDT by wastedyears (The Founders revolted for less.)
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To: wastedyears
I prefer them looking old, gray and weathered.

And without the eyes colored in. It makes them seem mysterious and timeless, above those looking at them.

67 posted on 08/21/2010 12:23:45 AM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenario at a time.)
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To: wastedyears

I agree, the painted ones look like cheap plastic figures.


68 posted on 08/21/2010 12:32:42 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: James C. Bennett

Excellent post. I was reading other information about this recently. Thanks. BTTT.


69 posted on 08/21/2010 12:56:13 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media. There are Wars and Rumors of War.)
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To: James C. Bennett
Maybe they had a deeper appreciation of distinction ie. color. We think that blah is cool. I have always loved color and grow tired of modern man's idea that for things to be beautiful they must be dull.
70 posted on 08/21/2010 1:58:26 AM PDT by Bellflower (All meaning is in The LORD.)
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To: Ditter
When the Getty Villa opened in Malibu, critics were incensed about the colored walls and columns. The building is a recreation of the Villa at Herculenium. The walls were said to be quite authentically recreated.

Regardless, it is a :must see" while in Los Angeles:


71 posted on 08/21/2010 2:16:53 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I love BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: GAB-1955
What was blue to us included purple to them.

Actually, no!

Blue was the color of the sea and the sky and purple was something quite apart from that.

Purple was a very important color to ancient Greeks. Very expensive...so much so it was affordable only to royalty and the very wealthy!

The very fact that the color purple signifies royalty today is due to its importance in ancient Greece.

Tyrian purple, mentioned in texts dating about 1600 BC, produced from the mucus of the hypobranchial gland of various species of marine molluscs, notably Murex, was literally worth its weight in silver.

Durable dyes for clothing were not abundant.

Dyes were most likely poor and not extremely durable.

Archaeologists have concluded that brilliant color was, because of the difficulty of its achievement, an element of status and wealth.

Color was quite important in ancient Greece and the language of the time, like any language of a complex people, was in no way crude and was clearly expressive of what was felt and sensed.

As important as color was and a descriptive as the language was, there are still some curious points of difference in the way the ancient Greeks perceived color.

Here is a link to a site sponsor by Bryn Mawr College on this subject...Ancient Greek Color Vision.

Here is an interest quote from that site (note that the comment on linguistic relativity--to come back to your mention of language--indicates that language is limited to what one is conscious of perceiving and experiencing) [emphasis added]...

This correlation between Homer and other Ancient Greeks on the subject of color vision suggests some questions about Ancient Greek color vision leading to ideas inquiring into the ability of the Ancient Greek eye to perceive color at all.

It is possible, in light of evolutionary theory, that the retina of the Ancient Greek was not evolved to the point of full color perception. Different mammals have varying degrees of color vision and eyes are especially prone to mutation. But besides this evolutionary question there is the question of consciousness, the question of the brain and language in relation to color perception.

This color vision particularity could have been caused by a lack of visual consciousness that would lead to the creation of new words that were needed to explain a visual phenomenon. This inability to perceive something because of linguistic restriction is called linguistic relativity (7).

Because the Ancient Greeks were not really conscious of seeing, and did not have the words to describe what they unconsciously saw, they simply did not see the full spectrum of color, they were limited by linguistic relativity.


72 posted on 08/21/2010 4:21:52 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (Liberals are a Cackle of Rads!)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
See the quote at the bottom of post #72.

Julian Jaynes (Princeton psychologist/lecturer/scientist, died 1997) concluded from an extensive study of ancient texts (including the works of Homer, the Epic of Gilgamesh, and the Bible) that ancient man was not conscious the way modern man is.

Jaynes, in The Origin of Consciousness and the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind posits that man wasn't conscious at all until about 3,000 years ago and that the development of human consciousness can be traced quite clearly in ancient literature/texts/codices. [Also see the Julian Jaynes Society site for more discussion of this matter].

Here's a review of Jaynes work (there are many others at the Jaynes Society site)...

"Neuroimaging techniques of today have illuminated and confirmed the importance of Jaynes' hypothesis." − Robert Olin, M.D., Ph.D., Professor Emeritus in Preventive Medicine [Karolinska Institute, Sweden], in Lancet.

73 posted on 08/21/2010 4:49:32 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (Liberals are a Cackle of Rads!)
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To: James C. Bennett

Here is the authr’s name (it is hard to find): Esther Inglis-Arkell


74 posted on 08/21/2010 9:11:52 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

That sounds cool.


75 posted on 08/21/2010 9:17:56 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
make our nice suburban house (with a slate roof, though) look like a house an old English cottage circa 1500.

A bunch of wagon loads of straw will hide that slate roof, ala Jane Austen's house.

To be true 1500 though, you'll probably need to dump at least one layer of straw on your floors and introduce a few mice and rats into that straw.

76 posted on 08/21/2010 12:15:09 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: SunkenCiv

I remember that graffito. Hawass cites that in support of his theory that the workers were not slaves.


77 posted on 08/21/2010 1:15:07 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: AggieSteph; MichiganMan
But one is forced to consider how much of our taste for what is and isn’t tacky is dictated by centuries of what we thought Greek/Roman art looked like.

I’m pretty sure that a brightly colored clown shooting an arrow would be tacky no matter your background.

I read somewhere that the wealthy Saudi princes who moved into the Beverly Hills mansions scandalized the neighbors by painting the garden statuary in flesh tones. Perhaps they were just being historically accurate and we didn't know it yet.

78 posted on 08/21/2010 1:23:20 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: James C. Bennett; SunkenCiv
Thank you for posting this.

The Egyptian funerary portraits (painted in encaustic) are also very colorful.

Ancient Faces: Mummy Portraits in Roman Egypt

This lady is wearing a beautiful shawl in a color a modern artist might describe as cobalt violet (was murex shell originally used?).


79 posted on 08/21/2010 1:45:36 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: JusPasenThru

I saw that movie


80 posted on 08/21/2010 7:45:50 PM PDT by marsh2
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