[MEGoody]

If you are not socially conservative you are not fiscally conservative either as all socially liberal policies cost more fiscally in the long run.

Maybe we are not defining socially liberal the same way. When I say socially liberal, I mean being "pro choice", "pro gay marriage" things like that. I'm not refering to the funding of those things with taxes - that would fall under the fiscal side.

So you really have the top right block being "Conservative", the top left block being "Conservative in name only but really advancing the liberal agenda".

Again, that depends on what you mean by socially liberal. I don't think we are talking about the same thing.

[John O]

me->If you are not socially conservative you are not fiscally conservative either as all socially liberal policies cost more fiscally in the long run.

Maybe we are not defining socially liberal the same way. When I say socially liberal, I mean being "pro choice", "pro gay marriage" things like that. I'm not refering to the funding of those things with taxes - that would fall under the fiscal side.

Nope. We are referring to exactly the same thing. Allowing evil to exist ALWAYS results in calls for government to sponsor evil. Being "pro-choice" ALWAYS results in allowing government funds to be spent on abortion. ALWAYS. Sometimes incredibly directly, sometimes in a round-a-bout fashion. But the end result is always the same.