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"If that doesn’t give pause, nothing will."

I remember you and have always had the upmost respect for your activism and your Constitutional acumen.

However, it's all over unless the Individual States just say enough! Once enough of them re-claim their rights as guaranteed by the 9th and 10th Amendments, all the protests, demonstrations, elections won't be worth a plug nickel. States' Rights can be.

It is our only way back, even if the USSC says otherwise. So what? They have no enforcement authority. What is the executive branch going to do with some currently 20 States passing legislation to exempt themselves from the obscenity that is obamacare and other job-killing mandates? What exactly would/could the administration do? Send in the US military or the Individual States' National Guard?

What if those States' Governors REFUSED to allow their State National Guard not be mobilized by DC to enforce those unConstitutional decisions AND stop sending the fedgov State tax receipts? Really? What would they do?

This is not the mid 1800's. There would be NO civil war. The fedgov would have to negotiate because no one in DC has the stomach for an internal war in this day. They are punks and know they would be the first target (peacefully that is...har).

Think. American totalitarian utopians are wimps. They are used to the populace wanting stuff and have built upon that said fact for some 40 year designs on a couple of mis-construed and spun clauses in the Constitution: General Welfare and Commerce. I firmly believe DC would have to back off, if nothing more then for their own political survival and all the perks they have grown accustomed to.

STATES' RIGHTS! WE JUST NEED STRONG GOVERNORS WHO UNDERSTAND CONTROL OVER THEIR OWN STATE GUARDS and willing to use them! ARIZONA IS ON THE CUSP. MANY OTHERS ARE TIRING OF THEIR STATES' RIGHTS BEING TRAMPLED.

Oklahoma is also on the cutting edge for STATES' RIGHTS. This is where all true Americans and the TEA Party folks should be concentrating.

If that doesn’t give pause, nothing will.

I remember you and have always had the upmost respect for your activism and your Constitutional acumen.

I remember you too, and feel compelled to say that you've probably given me too much credit. None the less, I appreciate your comments.

I have appreciated your views over the years also.

However, it's all over unless the Individual States just say enough! Oh, here we go... just kidding. I do agree.

Once enough of them re-claim their rights as guaranteed by the 9th and 10th Amendments, all the protests, demonstrations, elections won't be worth a plug nickel. States' Rights can be.

I agree with that. Right now the states have a perfect issue before them too, namely federal officials failure to demand the President adhere to his Constitutional Oath of Office, specifically Article Four Section Four. There it is loosly stated: "The president shall protect the states from Invasion." He also swears to uphold and defend the Constitution, another failure on this and the last president's part. (Later on you touch on the 9th and 10th Amendments, and they are all sans-Constitutional backing there)

Congressional officals also swear to uphold and defend the Constitution. Many state officials and mayors swear something similar. There is no compliance. Congress must hold the president's feet to the fire. They will not do it.

It is our only way back, even if the USSC says otherwise. So what? They have no enforcement authority. What is the executive branch going to do with some currently 20 States passing legislation to exempt themselves from the obscenity that is obamacare and other job-killing mandates? What exactly would/could the administration do? Send in the US military or the Individual States' National Guard?

IMO, yes, that's exactly what they would do. What's worse, is that both parties would basically sign on to this. Oh yes, you'd find some folks on the Republican side defending the states and the Constitution, but I seriously doubt the numbers would be significant.

Lincoln gave them excellent cover, and I think they would utilize it to the full extent they could.

As you have related, you are addressing much more than the states being invaded. Unfunded mandates are bankrupting the states. The federal government needs to go pound sand. If it won't do it because it's right, then it's the state's duty to push back. I fully support this. As you state, Obamacare is another very important relevant issue right now. I support the states standing up to the feds on the matter.

What if those States' Governors REFUSED to allow their State National Guard not be mobilized by DC to enforce those unConstitutional decisions AND stop sending the fedgov State tax receipts? Really? What would they do?

IMO, this is precisely what the new division that is assigned to internal duties on U.S. soil is intended to remedy. This in and of itself is another violation of long standing U.S. policy, if not an outright violation of the Constitution.

This is not the mid 1800's. There would be NO civil war. The fedgov would have to negotiate because no one in DC has the stomach for an internal war in this day. They are punks and know they would be the first target (peacefully that is...har).

You know what, I hope you would be closer to the truth on this than my prediction. I don't have faith in Leftists. When it comes to fighting Commies, Terrorists, oh yes, they're about as limp wristed as it gets. When it comes to fighting Constitution supporting citizens, you're forgetting that would be globalist public enemy number one. We actually support this nation against all comers. We must go.

Think. American totalitarian utopians are wimps. They are used to the populace wanting stuff and have built upon that said fact for some 40 year designs on a couple of mis-construed and spun clauses in the Constitution: General Welfare and Commerce. I firmly believe DC would have to back off, if nothing more then for their own political survival and all the perks they have grown accustomed to.

Look, your take on this is as valid as mine. You could be right. I just don't see the Left backing down on this. They have certain goals to attain, and ripping this nation right down the middle would suit their plans just fine. The more chaos, the better. Imagine the new laws the left could come up with to control the populace. They would be in seventh heaven.

STATES' RIGHTS! WE JUST NEED STRONG GOVERNORS WHO UNDERSTAND CONTROL OVER THEIR OWN STATE GUARDS and willing to use them! ARIZONA IS ON THE CUSP. MANY OTHERS ARE TIRING OF THEIR STATES' RIGHTS BEING TRAMPLED.

What troubles me, is that the National Guard can be nationalized. Witness George Wallace in the 60s. He brought them out to prevent the end of segregation, and Kennedy simply nationalized the troops. End of National Guard advancing Wallace's plan, end of segregation.

What we must address, is the issue of National Guard compliance with a nationalization order. Is that order honored? Will regular Army troops be ordered to confront non-complaint National Guard forces? Will 50 pre-emptive stand ins (and a sufficient force) be mobilized to replace any National Guard General that refused to honor a nationalization order?

Oklahoma is also on the cutting edge for STATES' RIGHTS. This is where all true Americans and the TEA Party folks should be concentrating.

I don't have a problem with that. I would support the Tea Party folks remaining active nation-wide in each county and city for that matter. Centering the leadership in Oklahoma sounds reasonable.

Course we might want to take a page out of the books of recent folks we have come up against, and locate in hard to access terrain, at an unknown location. Perhaps a number of them... LOL

I do take this serious. I don't think it should be discussed lightly. My views may seem off base, but I would urge you and others to realize these are the options. Your view or mine would certainly prevail. I can't say with certainty which, but one of us would come fairly close IMO. I doubt there would be much gray area here. It's all in or all out IMO.