Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

3-year-old found dead in van outside church
The Atlanta Journal Constitution ^ | Monday, August 16, 2010 | Larry Hartstein

Posted on 08/16/2010 8:23:26 AM PDT by Pan_Yan

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-27 next last

1 posted on 08/16/2010 8:23:30 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Pan_Yan

Parents need to understand that Jesus is not going to watch their children, even at church. He gave us that job.


2 posted on 08/16/2010 8:35:44 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pan_Yan
Poor child.

The Sedona is not a van, but a minivan - maybe she tried to escape the vehicle through the rear hatch.

A 3 year old is in the grey zone as far as restraints - I would guess that she was in a booster seat and not a full harness seat.

3 posted on 08/16/2010 8:35:50 AM PDT by wideawake
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pan_Yan
Parenting fail.

You just can't let a 3-year-old wander about without supervision.

4 posted on 08/16/2010 8:35:50 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pan_Yan
Did they forget her in the van or did she go out and get in it? Three years old, it is doubtful she could get in, but possible.My gut on this is, father took his music, hurried inside, thought sisters would stick together and look out for little one; sisters each wanted to do something, saw friends, etc. and took off without a thought. Maybe the little one was asleep and not noticed. Anyway, horrible tragedy.

Our son-in-law made a rule which I think is a good one. When their children were little, someone was made responsible for each little one, and when they handed off the responsibility, made sure the next one knew he/she was responsible. That way,people didn't just run their own way and assume someone was looking out for the toddler(s).

5 posted on 08/16/2010 8:36:37 AM PDT by vaudine
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pan_Yan

I hear about these incidents all the time and I don’t understand it. How does one misplace a child?????? Even if you have a gaggle of them, a 3 year old is hard to forget.


6 posted on 08/16/2010 8:37:44 AM PDT by StolarStorm
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: wideawake
I would guess that she was in a booster seat and not a full harness seat.

The article says that the girls, INCLUDING THE 3-YO, were playing inside the church, then the kid went missing.

7 posted on 08/16/2010 8:37:51 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Pan_Yan

I’m thinking Kia better be preparing for some lawsuits.

Time to cash in dontcha know.


8 posted on 08/16/2010 8:38:08 AM PDT by EyeGuy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pan_Yan

That’s tragic. Kids that age can be really hard to keep track of. You turn your back for an instant and ...


9 posted on 08/16/2010 8:38:33 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (I can see November from my house.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pan_Yan
Hmmm . . . apparently the police report states that she actually made it into the church before returning to the van herself.

I can see how it would be possible for her to open an unlocked minivan (many models allow you to just tug the handle and it opens the sliding rear door) and then accidentally lock it from the inside without realizing how to open it again.

10 posted on 08/16/2010 8:39:21 AM PDT by wideawake
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pan_Yan

*


11 posted on 08/16/2010 8:39:46 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Utopia is being foisted on Americans for their own good.-- J. Robert Smith)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Izzy Dunne

Thank you.


12 posted on 08/16/2010 8:41:44 AM PDT by wideawake
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: wideawake

I’m not buying it either.


13 posted on 08/16/2010 8:41:44 AM PDT by StolarStorm
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: wideawake
I can see how it would be possible for her to open an unlocked minivan (many models allow you to just tug the handle and it opens the sliding rear door) and then accidentally lock it from the inside without realizing how to open it again.

The article doesn't say that the van was locked when they found her. My take - the other girls were said to be taking naps in the pews. Maybe this little girl had a special item (doll, stuffed animal, pillow) in the van she liked to nap with. She made it to the van, got in, and then laid down to take a nap. The heat did the rest.

14 posted on 08/16/2010 8:58:33 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Liberal Logic: Mandatory health insurance is constitutional - enforcing immigration law is not.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: IYAS9YAS
In every case I've read of in these situations - at least where there was more than a cursory description - no child who dies like this dies peacefully in their sleep.

The scenario is usually that the child falls asleep in the car, then when it becomes unbearably hot the child wakes up due to the extreme discomfort and struggles to escape until the child finally collapses exhausted.

We are not physically designed to die peacefully without a struggle unless we run out of oxygen or are drugged (i.e. carbon monoxide poisoning).

15 posted on 08/16/2010 9:10:08 AM PDT by wideawake
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Pan_Yan

How horrible for the family. How horrible for the 3 year old.

How much worse it’s going to be when the fascists at the Child Destructive Agency demands criminal charges. Only govt case workers can get away with this.


16 posted on 08/16/2010 9:10:25 AM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: wideawake
then when it becomes unbearably hot the child wakes up due to the extreme discomfort and struggles to escape until the child finally collapses exhausted.

I don't disagree. My thinking here is that she may have been disoriented and too weak to crawl to the door or open it to get out. The Sedonas didn't all have auto doors where you could push a button for the automatic door to get out. The door may simply have been too hard to open in the child's weakened condition.

17 posted on 08/16/2010 9:17:16 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Liberal Logic: Mandatory health insurance is constitutional - enforcing immigration law is not.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: A_perfect_lady

That’s tragic. Kids that age can be really hard to keep track of. You turn your back for an instant and ...

YOU GO LOOK FOR THEM IMMEDIATELY.

Yeah, they can slip away, but there’s a difference between having one give you the slip momentarily, and “forgetting” about one for long enough for him or her to roast to death in a minivan.

Last week I was at a park with a large multilevel play structure which was set in a large sandy pit with limited access. Hard for the kids to wander off, but also lots of obstructed views because of the railings, stairs, slides, etc.

I knew my five-year-old was somewhere on the play structure, but I made three circuits of the thing and could not find him anywhere. I knew he had been with another boy who I also did not see, although his parents were still there, seated at a picnic table above the sand pit area.

Turns out as part of the play structure there is a rubberized mat about six feet long folded at the bottom, making four foot side walls open at the top, set on an incline from one level to the next. There is about eighteen inches between the two “walls”. Kids are suppposed to walk up the mat on the bottom fold between the two walls as the whole thing flops around.

On my fourth circuit I found my boy with another boy, crouched down inside the mat playing a hand-held video game. They probably chose that spot because it was nice and shady in there, so you could see the screen, but it made them almost invisible. In the entire circumference of the play structure there was about 1 degree of arc where you could see them.

I wondered why the other boy’s parents weren’t concerned about their missing kid. Turns out that from where they were seated they had a clear view of them.


18 posted on 08/16/2010 9:20:58 AM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Flash Bazbeaux

Thank you for your wisdom.

This is a three year old. Dad should have known where she was at all times. When he didn’t see her, he should have been looking for her.

His music was not more important than his daughter.


19 posted on 08/16/2010 9:44:34 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Pan_Yan

Don’t leave your car inlocked! This jsut happened last week in Columbus.Two young sisters were palying at their grandparents house when Grandpa noticed they weren’t outside anymore and called the cops.They searched the neighborhood and about an hour later one of the neighbors noticed that her car doot wasn’t latched completely.She found them in the backseat dead when she opened the door.They got in ad must’ve passed out and died from the heat they were something like 4 and 6 yo.


20 posted on 08/16/2010 9:57:46 AM PDT by chris_bdba
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-27 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson