Glenn Beck's Divine Destiny - 8/27

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[ConjunctionJunction]

Glenn Beck's Divine Destiny - 8/27

Kennedy Center, Washington, DC, August 27th

Join Glenn Beck for an inspiring look at the role faith played in the founding of America and the role it will play again in its destiny. The audience for the event will be overwhelmingly made up of pastors, ministers and clergy: a modern day Black Robe Regimen. Tickets will be made available to the general public at no cost.

So, if you are sick and tired of hearing about how divided America has become, then join us for an eye-opening evening at the historic Kennedy Center in Washington, DC on Friday, August 27 that will help heal your soul. Guided by uplifting music, nationally-known religious figures from all faiths will unite to deliver messages reminiscent to those given during the struggles of America's earliest days. The event will leave you with a renewed determination to look past the partisan differences and petty problems that fill our airwaves and instead focus our shared values, principles and strong belief that faith can play an essential role in reuniting the country.

[ansel12]

"Glenn said the other day on his TV show that he was a Christian. Everything I have heard him say since coming to Fox, would lead me to believe that he was a Christian. I can't say that I have disagreed with anything of the spiritual nature that he has said. This may be by design so as to not alienate his audience. In other words, to speak about things most Christians can agree on. I have heard Glenn say all the things that the thief on the cross said to Jesus and he was saved."

There it is, Glenn Beck left Christianity, joined the non-Christian Mormon cult, suddenly got his big break and is now becoming America's "Christian" radio preacher by convincing people like you and millions of others that he and his religion are Christian.

There is a reason that Mormons have to be baptised as Christians when they convert to Christianity.

Q: I read recently that the Catholic Church had rejected Mormon baptism, since their view of Christ and the Trinity is so unusual. But I have to ask: Are Mormons considered separated brothers and sisters? While their views are strange to say the least, they are still separated, and we should reach out to them. If we view them as something other than separated, doesn't that exclude ecumenism? I know that many view them as a cult, but aren't cult members separated as well?

A: The reason Mormons are not considered separated brethren is not because they aren't "separated" from the Church-they are-but they aren't "brethren" in the sense required. The phrase separated brethren refers to those who, though separated from full communion with the Catholic Church, have been justified through baptism and are thus brethren in Christ. The Decree on Ecumenism (Unitatis Redintegratio) of Vatican II teaches that "all who have been justified by faith in baptism are members of Christ's body, and have a right to be called Christian, and so are correctly accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church."

Because Mormonism is polytheistic and rejects the Trinity, Mormon baptism is not valid, and Mormons are not considered separated brethren. For the same reason, outreach to them, while certainly a good thing, is not ecumenism, though it can include dialogue and social cooperation as well as efforts to evangelize them.

[BlueMoose]

“There are currently on the order of 30,000 Christian faith groups in the world. Many regard themseves as being the only true descendents from “The Way” as the early Christian movement was originally called. Unfortunately, many present-day denominations have wildly differing understandings of the early history of Christianity. “

Who gets to chose who is Christian.

[ansel12]

Something that the various Christian denominations agree on whether they are Roman Catholic, or Greek Orthodox, or various Protestant denominations, is that Mormonism is not a Christian religion.

See post 21 for example.

[Tennessee Nana]

“Did you miss the part about “All faiths”. He isn’t pushing any religion.

In fact he is pushing the idea that our similarities can and should make us stronger.
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a long post so you wanted to be taken really seriously...

Good...OK...

“All faiths” ...Not “any” one “religion”

Then you will be thrilled when the Islamics turn up...

(Will it be Ramadan ?? Cant have any concession stands ???)

and the Wiccans...and those who believe in evolution

and those who believe in Global Warming (Al Gore leading their delegation)

And the homosexuals from the Metro Church...

and the New Age...and the Voodoos from Haiti...

And the mormon delegation will given the best seats and also sit on the platform..

The Presbyterians will be there ...one giving the key address..

(To show there are no hard feelings)

and the followers of Asheroth will be there and want to sacrifice someone...

Diversity...Aint it great ???

Oh and I’m sure the believers in the way things stand now will protest outside if they are not invited...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Therein lies a quandary...

We dont want to make anyone unhappy...

[Tennessee Nana]

Did I leave out those who have faith in Obama ???

and those who believe in abortion and same sex marriage...

(Why must the polygamists hog the show ???)

And the groups who have faith in a goddess...

and the Satanists...

Scientology...Buddists...

Native Americans who didnt want America to start with and have no belief or faith in the country...

The Loyalists who had faith in the Bristiah king and fought against the Rebels...is there a seat at your table for them ???

Racist Amendments and Equal Rights...are those folks included ???

Votes for only white men who own land ...

(We’ve got to get back to the basics...How far do you want to go ???)

All faiths...no one religion...

Oh yeah Baby !!!

[BlueMoose]

There are also many distinct definitions of the term “Christian.” Four examples are:

Most liberal Christian denominations, secularists, public opinion pollsters, and this web site define “Christian” very broadly as any person or group who sincerely believes themselves to be Christian. This would include, fundamentalist and other evangelical Protestants, Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox believers, Presbyterians, Methodists, Episcopalians, United Church members, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christian Scientists. Using this definition, Christians total about 75% of the North American adult population.

However, many Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Protestants define “Christian” more narrowly to include only those persons who have been “born again” regardless of their denomination. That is, they have repented of their sin and trusted Jesus as Lord and Savior. About 35% of the North American adult population identify themselves in this way.

Some Protestant Christian denominations, para-church groups, and individuals have assembled their own lists of cardinal Christian doctrines. Many would regard anyone who denies even one of their cardinal doctrines to be a non-Christian. Unfortunately, there is a wide diversity of belief concerning which historical Christian beliefs should be included in the list.
Other denominations regard their own members to be the only true Christians in the world. Some are quite small, numbering only a few thousand followers.

[BlueMoose]

Different definitions on such a fundamental topic makes dialog and debate among Christian groups very difficult. It also makes estimating the number of Christians in the U.S. quite impossible. By some definitions, 75% of Americans are Christians; by other definitions, it is a small fraction of 1%.

[BlueMoose]

We define "Christian" as follows: We accept as Christian any individual or group who devoutly, thoughtfully, seriously, and prayerfully regards themselves to be Christian. That is, they honestly believe that they follow Yeshua of Nazareth's (a.k.a. Jesus Christ's) teachings as they understand them to be.

Included as Christians are members of the Roman Catholic church; the Eastern Orthodox churches, conservative, mainline, and liberal Christian faith groups; The church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (commonly called the Mormons); Jehovah's Witnesses, Unification Church, Christian Science, and a thousand or so other religious organizations that identify themselves as Christian.

We also consider the early Jewish Christian movement led by James the brother of Jesus and Peter as Christian, even though their beliefs, practices, and expectations do not match modern-day denominations. Also included are those who consider themselves to be Christian even though they do not identify themselves with any particular religious group.

[ansel12]

You can post all the fluff that you want, but I am speaking to the Christians here at freerepublic that belong to a diverse collection of Christian denominations, and I am telling them that their church teaches that Mormonism is not a Christian religion, and that if they look into their own churches position, they will verify that.

You are a member of the Mormon religion yourself aren’t you?

[ansel12]

Actually, I confused you for a second with another Mormon Proselytizer, you may not be Mormon.

I notice that you are plagiarizing an internet article from an anti-Christian web site and passing off the words as your own writing.

That seems pretty cheesy, cutting and pasting a lame article from anti-Christians and playing like you are writing it.

[BlueMoose]

http://www.4marks.com/forums/results?user_id=156439

[taildragger]

Blah, Blah Blah enough theological potificating already.

Not a darn post read between the lines.

He as hinting who will be their! Didn't anyone get it?

My guesses?

Billy Graham and the Pope.....

I have heard from Christian friends that Dr. Graham wants to do one more major speech. Glenn has hinted that Rome has said he is doing good work.

Remember this post on the 27th and 28th to see if I nailed it, just like when I started following this Alaskan Female Politican who was as cute as a button that no one ever heard of...

[Danae]

He isn’t pushing Mormonism. Thats ridiculous. How is he pushing anything by including pastors from all the different sects of Christianity? Either he is pushing his own beliefs or he is including all of them with out prejudice. Its pretty clear he is giving them ALL the platform, not just one, not just his own.

You see, somethings at a little different than religion and trying to get converts. This isn’t about getting converts. Its about ALL CHRISTIANS regardless of sect, coming together to preserve our fundamental FREEDOM to even HAVE different sects of Christianity.

You are missing Becks point. Try to look at it from a different perspective. I am not saying yours is wrong, I am trying to say that Beck is not coming from the point of view you claim he is.

[ansel12]

Beck is LIGITIMIZING and MAINSTREAMING Mormonism, he is convincing people like you that it is just one of their own Christian denominations and he is mainstreaming the anti-Christian cult.

Mormonism is on a public relations campaign currently to capitalize on Beck and Mitt Romney’s high profiles.

Would you want your mother or son to leave Christianity and join the Mormons?

[Danae]

First, that would be up to them not me. I don’t have the fundamental arrogance to assume I know what is better for them than they do in this. My brother is also a flaming liberal and one of the most closed minded people you have ever met. I don’t try to change that about him either. That would take me having the opinion that I know whats better for him than he does. That isn’t my cross to bear.

Second, I have NEVER heard Beck pushing Mormonism. Not once. In fact, I hear him going out of his way to include all branches of Christianity. Not just his own. He talks about faith and having it. He never states any opinion on what branch of faith to follow. He tells people to make that decision for themselves.

Now, you appear more concerned about his faith and what branch it is, than you do about the message he is actually trying to give.

Try focusing on that message for a few moments on its OWN merits and forget the messenger. See if it makes sense to you then.

If not, then hate the man till the cows come home, he has done more than any personality in recent memory to espouse faith and American values. I give credit where credit it due.

[ansel12]

First, that would be up to them not me. I don’t have the fundamental arrogance to assume I know what is better for them than they do in this.

Most Christians would fight tooth and nail to stop a loved one from leaving Christianity and becoming a different religion.

Beck has already made his religion legitimate enough for you, that is the goal, to convince as many Christians as possible to accept Mormonism as just another Christian denomination.

[Danae]

Beck’s religion isn’t any more “legitimate” to me than yours is.

That is between you and G-d.

It is also between Beck and G-d.

I am not arrogant enough to assert that I have any justifiable reason to judge either of you, or your religions. I am not qualified.

Are you catching my drift here?

[Danae]

Before you even ask, I believe in the one and only G-d. The G-d who sent his only son to die on the cross. What denomination I am is irrelevant. Jesus himself said raise no churches to me. That is part of why I see the discussion about what “sect” of the “church” is right or wrong. Jesus himself didn’t want us warring between ourselves over any perceived differences which may come about.

He preached the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. Thats good enough for me.

[ansel12]

What denomination I am is irrelevant”

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I assume that you belong to one of the Christian denominations, Beck doesn’t. Mormonism is not a Christian religion, that is why the Christian churches have to Baptise Mormons into Christianity when they convert.

If you don’t belong to one of these denominations then tell which one and I will try to find what they have to say about Mormonism being Christian.

CATHOLIC:
http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0210qq.asp

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20010605_battesimo_mormoni_en.html

http://www.catholic.com/library/noncatholic_groups.asp

GREEK ORTHODOX:
http://www.goarch.org/ourfaith/ourfaith7101

LUTHERAN:
http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=2239

SOUTHERN BAPTIST:
http://www.4truth.net/site/c.hiKXLbPNLrF/b.3471385/k.6CD7/Are_Mormons_Christians.htm

ASSEMBLIES OF GOD:
http://pentecostalevangel.ag.org/Articles2002/4579_spencer.cfm

UNITED METHODIST:
http://archives.umc.org/umns/news_archive1999.asp?story=%7B3BE161B2-8603-4B32-A64F-0C9D2CBFAF85%7D&mid=3368

[Danae]

I am not a member of any denomination. I read the bible, I look for historic texts like the Book of Enoch and others. I look and read history and archeological finds. I am not a member of a church. I disagree fundamentally with the belief that I must be a member of a church to follow and know the word of G-d.

My relationship is with HIM. Not a church.