Congressman: Obama 'enjoying' eligibility dispute

WND ^ | August 10, 2010 | Bob Unruh

[RobinMasters]

A member of Congress from California says there's no need for the president to be born in the United States – or to have two parents who are United States citizens – to be a "natural born citizen" and be eligible to be president.

And U.S. Rep. Brian Bilbray, R-Calif., told WND today that he believes President Obama, who's been named as a defendant in multiple legal and other challenges claiming he is not eligible to be president, is enjoying the dispute over his background.

Further, Bilbray said the document that Obama critics should be hunting for is the passport he used when he traveled to Indonesia and other places early in his life.

The controversy over Bilbray's comments developed when a Youtube video was posted. In the video, of a television interview on "The Ed Show," Bilbray said, "It's just like people thinking that you gotta be born in the United States to be president. You don't have to be. That's a legend. We got to clarify that."

[rosettasister]

For Obama’s “Enjoyment”

Obama’s CIA Pedigree

August 7, 2010

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/08/07/obama%E2%80%99s-cia-pedigree/

Excerpt

As WMR previously reported, “At the same time he was attending Occidental [College in Los Angeles, 1979-81], Obama, using the name Barry Soetoro and an Indonesian passport issued under the same name, traveled to Pakistan during the U.S. buildup to assist the Afghan mujaheddin.

WMR has learned from informed sources in Kabul that Obama has been extremely friendly, through personal correspondence on White House letterhead, with a private military company that counts among its senior personnel a number of Afghan mujaheddin-Soviet war veterans who fought alongside the late Northern Alliance commander Ahmad Shah Masood.

[little jeremiah]

Just because someone has an (R) after their name doesn’t mean they are intelligent, informed, truthful, conservative or have good character.

This guy is stupid and knows nothing about the Constitution, life in general, or this issue in particular.

[omegadawn]

The law that denied obama’s mother from conveying citizenship was later changed but the law was not retroactive. If obama was born in Kenya ,he is a kenyan national.

The 14th amendment grants citizenship to those born on American soil who have allegiance to the U.S.( SUBJECT TO)
(Ark’s parents had legally immigrated to the U.S.)

There has been no court legal document released to prove obama was born in Hawaii. ( press releases are not legal proof)

The Supreme Court has in a number of cases gave a definiton for Natural Born Citizen CHILDREN OF PARENTS WHO ARE U.S. CITIZENS
The Supreme Court in Wong KIm ARk declared Ark a native born citizen as his parents were not U.S. citizens prior to his birth.

obama has spent the last 2 years making sure that no one touches his birth or passport records, a reasonable person would wonder why. obama is using the legal system to “bury” his records so that they can not be used against him. If what you say is true and obama is a natural born citizen he would have no need to bury his birth and passport records so that they can not be used in court.

[little jeremiah]

People always trot out the “children cannot renounce US citizenship” but sven’s posts seemed to decisively prove that wrong.

Thanks for bringing that up.

[PhilDragoo]

[TigersEye]

I didn’t call you a name and you’re just as wrong about about citizenship status requirements.

[orinoco]

Okay Congressman, but just for the fun of it...Where was Obama born?..Just curious!

[Mila]

"Murder of Mr. Lieutenant Quarles Harris, Jr."

That's one odd name. The first part, Lieutenant, is strange enough, but Quarles Harris is a type of port wine. Weird.

[curiosity]

The law that denied obama’s mother from conveying citizenship was later changed but the law was not retroactive. If obama was born in Kenya ,he is a kenyan national.

Even under that law, if his mother's marraige were invalid, he'd still be a natural born citizen, as a single mother would pass along her citizenship regardless of age.

The 14th amendment grants citizenship to those born on American soil who have allegiance to the U.S.( SUBJECT TO) (Ark’s parents had legally immigrated to the U.S.)

Under the common law definition, when a person is present in a country, unless he is a diplomat or hostile invader, he owes allegence to that country when present in it, even if he isn't a citizen of it. It's in the Kim Wong Ark decision you allude to below.

There has been no court legal document released to prove obama was born in Hawaii. ( press releases are not legal proof)

The certification of live birth, photographs of which have been made public, constitutes prima facie proof before any court of law.

The Supreme Court has in a number of cases gave a definiton for Natural Born Citizen CHILDREN OF PARENTS WHO ARE U.S. CITIZENS

Only in cases where the child is born abroad. It has never required parental citizenship for a child born on US soil.

The Supreme Court in Wong KIm ARk declared Ark a native born citizen as his parents were not U.S. citizens prior to his birth.

It also made abdundantly clear in the dicta that he is a natural born citizen.

I defy you to find a single instance in which SCOTUS creates a distinction between native born and natural born.

[omegadawn]

Prior to the Wong KIm Ark the use of Native born and Natural born were to some degress interchangable, but the actions of the Supreme Court created a new interperation for Native born but did not change the meaning of Natural Born.
The Supreme court has NEVER gave a definiton for Natural born citizen that did not include birth to American citizens. We ,because of the Ark case now has Natural Born,Native Born and Naturalized citizens.

[curiosity]

Prior to the Wong KIm Ark the use of Native born and Natural born were to some degress interchangable, but the actions of the Supreme Court created a new interperation for Native born

That is simply not ture. Wong uses native born and natural born interchangebly. Have you actually read the opinion?

The Supreme court has NEVER gave a definiton for Natural born citizen that did not include birth to American citizens.

Sure it has. Go read the Wong case.

because of the Ark case now has Natural Born,Native Born and Naturalized citizens.

Nope. There are two and only two classes of citizen.

[PA-RIVER]

Jindal will not get my vote.

If the GOP runs with a man born with dual allegiances, dual citizenship's, they need to do it without my support. The constitution forbids it with good reason. We have millions of jobless people, and we just spent 20 million dollars on a Kenyan Constitution? This is F*(king crazy.

[Uncle Chip]

The following 1967 State Department inquiry request into the citizenship status of the “spouse’s son” makes mincemeat out of everything you’ve posted. Bon Appetite!!!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2564062/posts?page=103#103

[curiosity]

The following 1967 State Department inquiry request into the citizenship status of the “spouse’s son” makes mincemeat out of everything you’ve posted.

How do you figure?

[rosettasister]

“Bill van Allen” uploaded “Chris Strunk Says” to scribd

http://www.scribd.com/billvanallen

Not sure if “Saebarkah” is a typo

s/b “Soebarkah” ?

***

If Obama had been honest, none of us would have to speculate.

If Obama had been honest, there wouldn’t be a radical residing at the United States presidential residence.

[Uncle Chip]

Her U.S. citizenship was a given, and yet the State Department is requesting an inquiry into her son’s citizenship. Think about it — if you can???

[curiosity]

Her U.S. citizenship was a given, and yet the State Department is requesting an inquiry into her son’s citizenship.

LOL. Only a birther would think that a state department inquiry confirming that Obama was born in Hawaii would somehow be an argument that he wasn't.

Look, sparky, this isn't that complicated.

In 1967, Stanley Ann had a US passport (she applied for it and received in in 1965). Hence the State Department had file on her showing she was a citizen. Her son probably did not have a passport his own passport at the time, so the State Department did not have his citizenship information. Hence the need for an inquiry, which, BTW, confirmed he was a US citizen by virtue of his birth in Hawaii.

Now how does this shoot down anything I wrote?

[Uncle Chip]

Hence the need for an inquiry, which, BTW, confirmed he was a US citizen by virtue of his birth in Hawaii.

Sorry -- wrong again. This letter was written after that ridiculous "memo to file" [which is probably bogus anyway, was sent to nobody, and thus meant nothing and means nothing. If what was in it was believable and documentable, then it would have been in the letter/documents sent to the State Department, which subsequently then would not be asking for an inquiry into her son's citizenship. It would have been a given -- but it was not.

Enjoy your mincemeat sandwich.

[rosettasister]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2569076/posts?page=46#46

To: stevenl77

The reason “Barry” returned to Hawaii in 1969 was to finalize the Soetoro adoption which began after Stanley Ann and Lolo were married in 1965.

BHO II doesn’t mention the return trip to Hawaii in 1969 in any of his biographies because the Soetoro adoption was annulled in late 1971.

46 posted on Thursday, August 12, 2010 4:54:43 AM by SvenMagnussen (Almost Famous!)

(According to “sven” Lolo adopting young Obama is significant because it may have affected Obama’s citizenship status making him ineligible to be president.)