"Ground Zero" Mosque is a Mistake

Townhall.com ^ | August 9, 2010 | Star Parker

[Kaslin]

The “Ground Zero” Mosque project should not go forward and let’s hope that Imam Feisel Abdul Rauf that is behind this $100 million project gets this message and backs off.

But given what he is hearing from the liberals in New York, including the city’s Mayor, the congressman in whose district Ground Zero sits, and the New York Times, it’s hard to be optimistic that he will change his mind.

Opposition to the Mosque is being portrayed, as the New York Times editorial page put it, as abandoning “the principles of freedom and tolerance.” But the Times makes its own tenuous grasp of reality clear as it goes on in its editorial embracing the Mosque and Islamic Center to say that “The attacks of September 11 were not a religious event.”

We can only wonder what those at the Times think was motivating the young Muslims who, while embracing their Korans and chanting to Allah, committed suicide, taking 3000 innocent Americans to their deaths along with them.

The website for the project, the Cordoba Initiative, advertises itself as “Improving Muslim-West Relations”, and “steering the world back to the course of mutual recognition and respect and away from heightened tensions.”

But if Feisel Abdul Rauf is primarily motivated to “reduce heightened tensions,” why would he do something as obviously provocative as building a Mosque and Islamic Center a few feet away from 9/11 Ground Zero?

It’s fine and well that he wants to improve Muslim-West relations. But why must he choose the place where thousands of Americans were murdered by Muslim terrorists to do his outreach?

Critical to grasp here is the suggestion of the need for dialogue. That the existence of Islamic terrorism is the result of problems with us Americans as well as problems that may exist in Islam. And it all would be fixed if we understood each other better.

This is simply false.

Americans don’t need any lessons about freedom and tolerance.

Several million Muslim Americans live, prosper, and practice their religion freely and without interference in our country. According to a Google search, there are about 2000 Mosques in the United States.

We have one Muslim American member of the United States Congress, who took his oath of office with his hand on the Koran.

Probably every major American university has programs where students can learn about Islam to their heart’s content. Including universities, such as Columbia, that are in the heart of New York City.

In a Gallup poll earlier this year, only 9% of Americans said they feel a “great deal” of prejudice against Muslims. Given recent history, this is an astounding statement of the beauty of the character of the American people.

As we know, President Obama brought with him to the presidency a conviction that we Americans somehow bore some responsibility for the antipathy towards us in the Islamic world and that outreach would help.

But, of course, this is false. As Johns Hopkins University Middle East Scholar Fouad Ajami pointed out in a Wall Street Journal column, President Obama’s outreach program has accomplished only diminished respect for us in the Islamic world. Antipathy continues to run high and unchanged and it’s not because there something wrong with us. It’s because, as Ajami points out, it’s a convenient “scapegoat” for nations and rulers that refuse to address their own real problems.

Of the 17 nations that Freedom House rates the “worst of the worst” regarding their state of freedom, 6 are Islamic nations.

Feisel Abdul Rauf should spend his $100 million, wherever he is getting it from, to advance the cause of freedom in Islamic countries. That is where the problem is. It’s certainly not here.

The fact the he insists on provocatively erecting a Mosque at Ground Zero raises legitimate suspicion that he is more a symptom of rather than a solution to this problem.

[shibumi]

"The attacks of September 11 were not a religious event.”

That's true. They were an Islamic event. Any resemblance between Islam and religion is purely coincidental.

[Carley]

John Gamling on WOR radio in NYC has joined Mayor Bloomers in decrying the opposition to this mosque.

Sycophants disgust me.

John thinks it’s scary that people in other states are objecting to mosques in their midst. He claims ‘everyone’ hates muslims.

[Venturer]

You may as well give Freedom and tolerance to Charles Manson.

The ancient Inca’s did human sacrifice , so do the Muslims in a different way.

I am not so tolerant of people who have written in their regulations that if I dont belong to their cult I amnot fit to live. If they are not tolerant neither am I . Personally I would run the whole stinking bunch out of the country.

[Frenchtown Dan]

“In a Gallup poll earlier this year, only 9% of Americans said they feel a “great deal” of prejudice against Muslims”

I’m equating “great deal” with “hating”.
So how many Americans just plain don’t like them?
I’ll bet it’s around 80%.

[Elkiejg]

The bottom line with this whole Mosque situation is.......Hey Islam - when we can build a church or synagogue in Mecca, then you can build your Mosque at Ground Zero.

[CitizenM]

Really...you know why this Mosque was planned to be built there. It is one of those in-your-face acts just to test our government to see how far they will bend over. I am sorry, but once this thing is built I hope they realize what a target they will be. Airplanes just might crash again in NY if some radicals feel they have had enough. Seems to me this is a set up to tempt fate and start another international/religious crisis.

[Condor51]

I say, let Imam Feisel Abdul Rauf go ahead with building this $100 Million, 15 story Mosque Racquetball Club and Spa.

First he has to demo the existing building. And that isn't done by rubbing a magic lantern. Contractors (plural) are required, Union Contractors, and they ain't the SEIU types.

Then there's the matter of hiring an Architectural Firm. One Licensed in the State of New York. And if NYC is anything like Chicago, a good portion of the big firms are, Jewish (oh-oh). And a big firm IS required for a building like this 15 Story 'palace'₍₁₎.

After that, the Architect has to hire all his Engineering Firm 'subcontractors'. That goes from Structural to Mechanical Engineers and yes even Landscaping,whichall have to be licensed in the State of New York. That is accomplished by Competitive Bidding. And again if NYC is anything like Chicago, the big MEP Engineers₍₂₎ are .. Jewish. (oh-oh, what if there's 'no bids').

Now, after 'finally' getting all his Engineers on board (I smell delay and cost over run already) the project goes out to for BIDS for a Construction Manager Firm (General Contractors are o-u-t for something this big). And once more, this being NYC they're 'prolly' like Chicago and a good many are, Jewish owned or staffed. (oh-oh, them dam Jews again)

At this stage - after another delay and mo money, mo money, mo money being spent - the plans and spec's go our for Competitive Bids for all the Subcontractors. Guess who owns many of these Firms. Come on - it's NYC ... yep, Jews!₍₃₎ (man those Jews are everywhere!) And if there's No Bids, guess what CAN'T be built :-)

Now we assume after MORE DELAYS all the subs are finally lined up and now we're ready to break ground and go like gangbusters, right? WRONG (no, not Jews this time). Now we have those dam Patriotic American 'Hardhats' to deal with. And in NYC you can't turn a shovel of dirt unless its done by a Union member. And the Construction trades ain't the SRIU fellas.

So not to point out the obvious from all the above, but I will, IMHO this thing won't EVER get built.

So like I said at the start. Let Imam Feisel Abdul Rauf go ahead with 'building' this $100 Million, 15 story Mosque Racquetball Club and Spa. We'll all be living on Mars by the time the first brick is laid.

(1) Yes there are firms that will do anything for a contract, but it's still ahurdle.
(2) MEP = Mechanical, Electrical and Plumbing
(3) In years past, the NY Mafia had a hold on construction firms in NYC and even 'owned' some. It was good for money laundering. Don't know about today.

Note: No offense is meant by the repetitive mention of Jews owning all these firms, but it's just a fact, no insult is intended.

(After 40 years in 'the business', many as a Project Manager & Chief Estimator, I kind of know what I talking about. From step one there's hurdles to cross. BIG hurdles)

[erman]

the more I think about it, the better the mosque sounds to me.

Heck, let Bloomberg and the rest of the pathetically spineless, gutless, pussies kneel down and kiss the a@@es of the muzzies who bombed their fellow New Yorkers.

In fact they should combine all the muzzies mosques and put it right on top of where the World Trade Center was. It should be the tallest building in New York with a minaret that can be heard to New Jersey.

After all, it's a free country and the muzzies have always built their mosques over conquered worship sites and battle sites.

So you New Yorkers, take pride in the fact that the muzzies consider you their b#tches. Bend over and take it like Bloomberg and the rest of your leaders want you to. I hope that the construction unions get their 30 pieces of silver as well as the rest of the noble New York municipal unions.

Should be just a lovefest with the UN and the mosque in New York to honor the heroes of 9-11.

send this to Bloomberg, I'm sure he'll bend over and make it happen... Maybe New York can have a wall of the real heroes of 911, with their names and photos on them 10 stories high. Just like Times square

Mohamed Atta.

Waleed Mohammed al-Shehri

Wail Mohammed al-Shehri

Abdulaziz al-Omari

Satam Muhammed Abdel al-Suqami

That would build a bridge of understanding and peace with the muzzie community and insure that no more terrorist attacks occur in NYC. All the Christians and Jews and muzzies can hold hands in Central Park and sing muzzie songs of peace and fellowship. While the jihadist slit the throat of any that disagree. Congrats to New York and to Mayor Bloomberg. Cause we all KNOW that muzzies just love a guy named "Bloomberg" and invite him over for some camel races, wife stoning, Christian doctor target practice or christian/Jewish journalist beheadings on the new Muzzie Sports Network.

enjoy.

[Servant of the Cross]

National Review's Andy McCarthy strips away the false veils of Feisel Abdul Rauf and the Cordoba Initiative with his article: More Moderate Muslims.

There is NOTHING moderate about The Path To Islamization

[maxsand]

...Madison’s experience at Princeton and his struggle against persecution of Baptists in Virginia had convinced him that “toleration” was an invidious concept. It was, as Thomas Paine later put it, “not the opposite of intolerance, but...the counterfeit of it. Both are despotism. The one assumes to itself the right of withholding liberty of conscience, the other of granting it.”
Madison therefore sought to have the noxious word stricken from the declaration and to prepare the way for complete liberty of conscience and separation of church and state in Virginia...

[FBD]

bump to your links.
Thanks.

[redpoll]

It’s easy to understand why some Americans are not willing to say anything negative about the mosque at Ground Zero.

The analogy is a woman who is beaten by her abusive husband. He beats her sometimes. He lets her alone much of the time, but the woman can’t predict when the next punch will strike. So she thinks that she can get along as long as she doesn’t antagonize the husband, doesn’t speak out against his actions, and doesn’t defend herself and attract his rage.

With Islam, that attitude is called dhimmitude. The dhimmi are Jews and Christians allowed to live inside Islamic culture, with heavy restrictions, of course. The Jews and Christians can’t build new houses of worship, they can’t talk about their religion in public, and they must pay a special tax. Of course, occasionally, the Moslems ruling the culture commit cruelty, murder, even genocide, but it is infrequent enough to convince the Jew or Christian that if they just lay low, they’ll be fine.

Mayor Bloomberg is just practicing his status as a dhimmi. So is most of the West. This accounts for all the wild and wierd comments about Islam being a religion of peace. We are learning what to write and what not to write, what movies to make and what movies not to make, what cartoons to draw and what cartoons not to draw, and, always, to never antagonize the Moslems or else we’ll be racists, or Islamophobes, or be targets for having our cars burned, decapitation, random murder on the street, and lawsuits. We are getting ready for second-class status with our Islamic overlords.

God help us.

[B4Ranch]

>>Personally I would run the whole stinking bunch out of the country.<<

With my full support!