To: philman_36
No need to wiggle.
“Les Naturels ou indigènes font ceux qui font nés dans le pays de Parens Citoyens.”
“The Natural or indigenous do those who are born in the country of Parens Citizens.”
http://translation.babylon.com/french/to-english/
It is simply false to say “Les Naturels ou indigènes...” means “The natives, or natural-born citizens...”
Indigenous. Not ‘natural born citizen’. No one reading this thread needs to be a French scholar to see that. One DOES need to be blind to cling to Vattel as the source of the phrase NBC in the Constitution.
“Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity...Under our Constitution the question is settled by its express language, and when we are informed that, excepting those who were citizens, (however the capacity was acquired,) at the time the Constitution was adopted, no person is eligible to the office of president unless he is a natural born citizen, the principle that the place of birth creates the relative quality is established as to us.” - William Rawle, A View of the Constitution of the United States 1829
75 posted on
08/08/2010 5:12:20 PM PDT by
Mr Rogers
(When the ass brays, don't reply...)
To: Mr Rogers
No need to wiggle.
And yet you still do.
79 posted on
08/08/2010 5:16:57 PM PDT by
philman_36
(Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
To: Mr Rogers
...those who are born in the country of Parens Citizens.
Think about that plural word, that you used, for a while.
92 posted on
08/08/2010 5:55:57 PM PDT by
philman_36
(Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
To: Mr Rogers
And you shouldn't put up only
a part of a person's view. It devalues their overall point, which, IMO, is what you desired in not putting it all up.
William Rawle, A View of the Constitution of the United States 84--101 1829 (2d ed.)Here is the part which preceded your snippet which you ?conveniently? skipped over...
The citizens of each state constituted the citizens of the United States when the Constitution was adopted. The rights which appertained to them as citizens of those respective commonwealths, accompanied them in the formation of the great, compound commonwealth which ensued. They became citizens of the latter, without ceasing to be citizens of the former, and he who was subsequently born a citizen of a state, became at the moment of his birth a citizen of the United States. (your quote starts here)
Therefore every person born within the United States...Then you leave this out...
It is an error to suppose, as some (and even so great a mind as Locke) have done, that a child is born a citizen of no country and subject of no government, and that he so continues till the age of discretion, when he is at liberty to put himself under what government he pleases. How far the adult possesses this power will hereafter be considered, but surely it would be unjust both to the state and to the infant, to withhold the quality of the citizen until those years of discretion were attained.For shame! You left out the most important parts. And then you even completely misconstrue what the man was getting at.
94 posted on
08/08/2010 6:11:40 PM PDT by
philman_36
(Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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