'Birthers' fade after passage of law against them

Associated Press ^ | August 7, 2010 | MARK NIESSE

[philman_36]

You cannot cherry-pick a single phrase from entire paragraphs and use that as your basis, when the rest of the paragraph contradicts your point.
I recognize that!
Projection - b : the attribution of one's own ideas, feelings, or attitudes to other people or to objects

[AGreatPer]

People in the year 3000 are going to laugh their a$$es off at how stupid the people were to have an illegal president.

[Brown Deer]

What people?

[American Constitutionalist]

( Birthers' fade after passage of law against them )

No, the people who want the US Constitution upheld is not fading away as this news headline supposes....
The truth is ? more obstruction, evading by Hawaii.

[BerryDingle]

The persistent quest for President Barack Obama's Hawaii birth certificate has died down since the state passed a law allowing it to ignore repetitive requests for the document.

Where I come from, that's called ignorance.

[Mr Rogers]

You are wrong again, which is why I said that if birthers could read, they wouldn't be birthers. From your own quote:

"The citizens of each state constituted the citizens of the United States when the Constitution was adopted. The rights which appertained to them as citizens of those respective commonwealths, accompanied them in the formation of the great, compound commonwealth which ensued. They became citizens of the latter, without ceasing to be citizens of the former, and he who was subsequently born a citizen of a state, became at the moment of his birth a citizen of the United States. Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."

At first he is talking about those alive when the Constitution was adopted, but he then says "he who was subsequently born a citizen of a state" - changing to those born AFTER the Constitution.

He then says, "Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution..." - note the present tense. Had he been referring to those born prior to the Constitution, he would have needed to say, "every person who was born..." Also, the Framers specifically understood that not all those who were citizens at the adoption of the Constitution were native born, so they added a clause for length of stay for themselves. Thus it would be incorrect to say "every person born" and apply it to those alive at the time the Constitution was adopted.

[philman_36]

Notice the AG used ‘native citizen’ in place of NBC.
Yes, that is interesting, especially since he explicitly used NBC later on and had to know that there was a difference or he would have used it in both places! Don't you agree?
The court below, properly recognizing the existence of an actual controversy with the defendants [307 U.S. 325, 350] (Aetna Life Ins. Co. v. Haworth, 300 U.S. 227 , 57 S.Ct. 461, 108 A.L.R. 1000), declared Miss Elg 'to be a natural born citizen of the United States' (99 F.2d 414) and we think that the decree should include the Secretary of State as well as the other defendants.

[philman_36]

...note the present tense.
My God, man! He wrote that in 1829! It's present tense for 1829, not 2010!

[Mr Rogers]

Yes. Every person born in the USA in 1829 was (or is, from his perspective) a natural born citizen. He is no longer talking about those born PRIOR to the Constitution, is he? They were grandfathered in by the Constitution, but SUBSEQUENTLY...those born (present tense) in 1829, or in any other subsequent years, such at 1961.

[philman_36]

They were grandfathered in by the Constitution, but SUBSEQUENTLY...those born (present tense) in 1829, or in any other subsequent years, such at 1961.
He neither says or implies any such thing.
You're beyond belief.
Have a good night.

[Mr Rogers]

I posted it for those capable of reading. I didn’t expect to convert you.

He wrote: “Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”

He could not have been talking about those born prior to the writing of the Constitution in 1787 (42 years earlier) because you do not use the present tense to discuss an act that took place 42 years earlier. Besides, the grandfather clause covered those.

[TauntedTiger]

Never underestimate the ignorance of an Obamaton and their willingness to troll topics they barely understand.

[VideoDoctor]

What's strange about the whole thing is this:

I would think the State of Hawaii would love to accommodate anybody who wanted a copy for $29, $49, 0r $99 dollars. It would be a great revenue generator. It would tend to put the fire out because they were willingly offering it. ( for a fee )

But that's NOT happening. WHY?

The ONLY thing that intuitive little inner voice keeps saying is:

Something is NOT right or Obama wouldn't have spent $2-Million in legal fees to prevent access to it.

Once again: SOMETHING is NOT RIGHT!

[Kleon]

Yes, that is interesting, especially since he explicitly used NBC later on and had to know that there was a difference or he would have used it in both places! Don't you agree?

Obviously he used the term interchangeably, since he said a native born citizen could become President.

[DontTreadOnMe2009]

“Makes perfect sense to Hawaiians except that no on can figure out why anyone in their right mind would choose to get married on Molokai back then.”

Molokai is a very very strange choice ...

I will let someone else who knows more about it than me explain in full, but no certificate has appeared to date. And Molokai in 1960 must have been very hard to get to, and nearly nothing there when you did get there, and a very small extremely small population.

Yes?

[centurion316]

Back then, Molokai was essentially a company town. I think that it was owned by Dole Pineapple, but I could be wrong. Whoever owned it, the place was entirely agricultural. I suppose that they might have been invited by friends to have their wedding there, but its very unusual.

[Menehune56]

I think AZ passed a law saying he has to show his BC to be on their ballot next go round.

The last I heard that law got tabled in the AZ senate due to them already having enough controversy with the passage of immigration law SB1070. I do hope they take up the issue again because it's important to get these laws in place in as many states as possible in time for the the 2012 election.

[Riodacat]

I wonder if the Chinese have the goods on him and they’re using it as leverage

Naw. The Chinese don't need anything on any American (even the POTUS) to get what it wants because they have us by the balls (insofar as they are our lender of last resort); and anytime they want they can put the squeeze on our cash flow and we'll howl in pain.

[Menehune56]

I believe the Hotel Molokai was the first hotel on the island and it wasn't built until the late 1960s. I lived in the islands back in the 50s and 60s and have been to most of them but not Molokai which really is pretty remote. You can see it from Oahu and I always meant to go there but never did. It's hard to believe a non-resident would go there to get married. Maui sure but Molokai? Seems suspicious to me

See my profile for a link to my Pre-Obama Hawaii Flickr page.

[danamco]

And the Constitution is just a piece of paper you use in your bathroom???