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To: Drew68

Judging from the people who are supposedly respected among military officers and what I’ve seen of their willingness to spit on the Constitution rather than defend it, that goal of the leftists may already be done.

That’s why we’re all so worried about whether Lakin will even be allowed to give his full argument on why the order he disobeyed was not lawful. People keep telling us (basically), “Oh, they never let people defend themselves.”

It’s giving the military a black eye, but I’m wondering if it’s just exposing that this critical part of infrastructure is just another one that’s already taken over.

The scary part is if the military can in any way make it so that Lakin can’t appeal his case in the civilian courts or file a different suit claiming he suffered personal and justiciable harm from someone besides Joe Biden “acting as president” after the President elect “failed to qualify” by Jan 20th. If the military can and does do that, then the takeover of the US military is near-complete.

And apparently to the cheering of so-called “conservatives” like yourself.


57 posted on 08/08/2010 5:49:55 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: Drew68

The officer involved has rejected Lakin’s request for witnesses and documents, for instance, based on the idea that Obama’s Constitutional ability to exercise the presidential powers (assigning Cabinet members such as SecDef, acting as CIC, etc) is irrelevant to the Constitutionality and thus lawfulness of the orders down the chain of command.

But bushpilot1 has shown us that there is long-standing precedent saying that the top commanders derive their authority from the Commander-in-Chief.

To not even ALLOW that argument to be made is to say that the case is already decided. AND it is decided AGAINST hundreds of years of historical precedent, apparently on the basis of the Michael New case, which turns everything before it around on its heels.

If one case can ignore and undo hundreds of years of precedent and the text of the Constitution, then the takeover of the military actually happened very quickly - in the course of one court case, decided by a handful of people.

The need for 5,000 people to take over the military is exaggerated. It takes one person in the right position to corrupt the whole thing, because then the hands of millions are literally all tied up.


58 posted on 08/08/2010 6:01:01 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion

May I add what I believe is a missing part of your mental image of the US military. Without civilian support the US military will collapse very quickly in whatever mission they are attempting. There is 9 men supporting every soldier who is on the front lines. There is 50 or more civilians supporting the military. By this I mean farmers growing food, truckers hauling it to the bases, oil workers drilling for oil, every step of the chain, you name it. If we stop supplying the bases the bases will close.


69 posted on 08/08/2010 10:35:48 AM PDT by B4Ranch (America was founded by MARKSMEN, not Marxists.)
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