Posted on 08/06/2010 7:01:50 PM PDT by Korah
Thanks to U.S. District Judge Donald Molloy's ruling (PDF file of preliminary injunction order) that the Endangered Species Act protections must be reinstated for wolves in both Montana and Idaho, be prepared to hear of more reports about large packs of wolves roaming the countryside in neighboring states like the one that was filmed in Oregon. Even though neither state, Washington or Oregon, were part of the Fish and Wildlife Service's wolf reintroduction program, they are definitely a recipient of the outcome. It was the late "90"s when the first wolves made it to Oregon, now they are beginning to roam in large packs.... (excerpt)
Follow the link below to see the video of the
Largest Wolf Pack Ever Found in Oregon
(Excerpt) Read more at ChicoER/Gate)....
From what I understand, the Wolves being re-introduced are about twice the size of the Wolves that were eliminated. That is not balance. They aren’t the same Wolves, nor do they have the same number of prey animals today. So when a 180 lb Wolf is starving what will it eat? Whatever it can.
That’s probably why the wolves I saw in the UP of Michigan were scared of people. There are plenty of folks up there with the inclination to shoot, shovel, and shut up.
I was less than 25 feet from a wolf chasing a cow elk in Yellowstone. The wolf was locked on to the one elk that the pack had been harrying for over an hour. It chased the elk through a group of spectators but didn’t give us a glance (I was with 12 middle school kids).
Typical liberal tactic. All or nothing.
It is one thing to have some of these creatures survive in the hinterlands, quite another to build populations of them in areas where humans live.
There is a reason they were hunted until their numbers diminished so they were no longer a threat to humans.
Idiots are about to read all about it again, provided it makes their city's newspaper with the 'who is dating who and 'who wore what to what gala' stories--you know, the important stuff.
Those of us who can no longer wander the far reaches of our own property unarmed because of all the 'reintroduction' going on are on the front lines while you REMFs push for stuffing more dangerous critters in our back yards.
Now take a step back and realize this is all part of the UN Agenda 21 "rewilding" program designed to stuff humans into cities and narrow corridors where they can be completely controlled.
And, if you have a lick of sense, oppose the 'reintroduction' of alien predatory species into habitats where, by law there are no predatory controls.
look at what alien predatory species are doing to the Everglades, for Pete's sake.
Wrong. You have never owned or lived around one. They kill to eat, but they also kill for the fun of it. It's imperative they train their pups to kill early in life, and small animals are the best training subjects.
Yes, they kill dogs and coyotes because they perceive them as competitors, but they don't waste energy on non-sustenance engagements if they can help it.
Wrong again. Wolves, when not asleep, are bored out of their skulls unless tracking something to kill.
Yes, there have been isolated incidents (one every eight years on average) that haven't been fully explained, but we also have had black bears pursue and kill people within a hot sprin Fact of the matter is, that statistically wolves have virtually no aggressive history with man in North America.
YET.
Look, I'm a big admirer of wolves, I adopted a starving 90% grey hybrid that was to be put down (bad mistake).
I put 30lbs on her, and got repaid with a real big murderess. She was brilliant, gorgeous, funny, and climbed fences to murder neighbors' turtles and ducks!
Adopt a wolf yourself if you just can't believe it.
Your argument is weak to the point of emptiness.
There are 80 million domestic dogs in the USA.
12 fatal dog attacks is 1.2 deaths per 8 millions dogs or about 6.7 million dogs per human death.
So no, a person would have to be an idiot to even push such an asinine argument as exterminating 80 million animals to save 12 human lives.
On the other hand, urban gang-bangers kill humans at a much higher rate, so I would agree with exterminating all domestic gang-bangers in the spirit of saving human lives. I’m good with that.
You are right. We should exterminate all animals capable of killing people, even if they rarely or never do so. This include all domestic dogs capable of killing children.
Let’s expose the red herring further. Should we kill all Chihuahua’s because Pit Bulls occasionally kill people? That doesn’t make sense, and neither does the premise put forward by Mariner. As for the Gang Bangers. They like to think they are soldiers. Kill them all.
Adopt a wolf or a gang-banger and report back with your results.
Until then, you are lost in leftist theory.
You’re not listening. My wolf on her own volition was a joyful killing machine, without pack backup. With a wolf posse, God knows what she’d have done.
Your argument is great in say, Fairbanks, but not in Oregon.
Just go get one and see. They kill for the fun and training of it. It’s not bad, or wrong... if they’re not hunting livestock or pets.
Then it’s wrong. Well, here. A lone coyote attacked our gov’s dog while on a run last June.
Pack animals do go rogue outside the pack sometimes.
people that include primitive political attacks in their responses
You don’t want to know the truth about wolves, you want your romantic fantasy about these killers. Fine.
Maybe he hasn’t read “Call of the Wild” by Jack London. A classic.
Wolves that are threatening livestock or humans should be either removed from the area (relocated) or destroyed. Why anyone wanted to reintroduce them or increase their numbers is beyond me. They should have stuck with unicorns and butterflies.
They never left.
When my children were young babies I saw a fox stalking them- I found that thing and shot it, but there is no way to ever remove that feeling of terror from your head wondering what would have happened if I had been slower
wow..you certainly must be smart to habe such a brilliant reply...
I listen to those posters that have something to say on the subject.
You prove nothing. You blather and make personal atacks. sounds more like a Lib style.
Mariner, what do you think will happen when the wolves get all fat and healthy (and umerous) on elk and deer, thinning out the heards consierably... then start looking for OTHER things to eat.
When these things start going after people how are you going to feel?
The numbers should never be artificially changed. Let supply and demand take care of it for us.
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