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If you can't afford it, you can't afford it. Putting pensions on a credit card won't solve the problem.
1 posted on 08/06/2010 6:07:21 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: bamahead

Libertarian ping


2 posted on 08/06/2010 6:12:42 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama's more worried about Israelis building houses than he is about Islamists building atomic bombs)
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To: Libloather
One of the basic problems was that every company "contributed" to 401Ks, and so did every employee.

That was gambling.

I could have gone to Atlantic City or Las Vegas and probably done as well.

But, the American people thought this was a good thing, and put their hard earned dollars into it.

If anyone is still pouring a huge portion of their income into stocks and T-bills, you have lost your mind.


3 posted on 08/06/2010 6:15:19 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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The haves are retirees who were once state or municipal workers. ... The have-nots are taxpayers ...

It's inexcusable that a 25 year old carpenter, plumber, electrician, baker, mechanic, accountant or any other person working for a private company and their children and their children's children should have to pay for the 20 to 30 year vacation retirement of a city, state or federal employee.


5 posted on 08/06/2010 6:41:18 PM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: Libloather

Social Security, Medicare and now Pensions.

BOHICA


6 posted on 08/06/2010 6:46:40 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator ( Who is John Galt?...heck...Who is Hugh Series?)
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To: Libloather

Believe me when I say this. The money to save jobs for state teachers and first responders which will be voted in on 8/10/10 will go to fund state pensions.


8 posted on 08/06/2010 7:06:59 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Socialism is the philosophy of failure, - W Churchill)
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To: Libloather

I’m ready for the fight!!! These PENSIONS are RIDICULOUS!! THEY ARE UNSUSTAINABLE!!!!


9 posted on 08/06/2010 7:34:59 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: berdie

later


10 posted on 08/06/2010 7:47:32 PM PDT by berdie (Hey, Bill Mahr...That's Mrs. Cracker to you.)
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To: Libloather
The average retiree in the fund stopped working at the sprightly age of 58

There's one of the main problems right there.

Retirement age should be raised to 70, especially in light of the fact that today's life expectancy is so high.

What's a retired person at 58 gonna do for the next 30 years of their life...mope around the house? Likely most would be happier working. And, if not, they need to plan special arrangements for themselves.

12 posted on 08/06/2010 8:23:37 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Libloather

“I see two Americas...”


13 posted on 08/06/2010 9:11:09 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: Libloather

Gary Justus, one of the lead plantiffs in the suit, retired at age 55!


14 posted on 08/06/2010 9:14:11 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: Libloather

“If you find the argument of Colorado’s retirees wanting, let your local legislator know that you don’t want to be responsible for every last dollar necessary to cover pension guarantees gone horribly awry. After all, many government employee unions will be taking contrary positions and doing so rather loudly.

If you work for a state or local government, start saving money outside of the pension plan if you haven’t already, because that plan may not last for as long as you need it.

And if you’re a government retiree or getting close to the end of your career? Consider what it means to be a citizen in a community. And what it means to be civil instead of litigious, coming to the table and making a compromise before politicians shove it down your throat and you feel compelled to challenge them to a courthouse brawl.

“We have to do what unions call givebacks,” said Mr. Lamm, the former Colorado governor. “That’s the only way to sanity. Any other alternative, therein lies dragons.””

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To read this coming from the NYT of all sources, one may well take it to be an official communique.


15 posted on 08/06/2010 9:17:08 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: Libloather

I’m one of those who decided early in life to work for the public sector. I started at 23 years old and have been paying into my retirement plan for 30 years.

Now, because of the crap that is happening I’m supposed to feel guilty because the whiners didn’t plan as well as I did 30 years ago?

Screw all you aholes!!!


18 posted on 08/06/2010 9:41:36 PM PDT by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!(FR #1690))
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To: Libloather

What the Hell did we have to say about it when the Freakin Unions got all this Crap put into place in the First Place .
Government Unions should be Banned ,If you work for the Government you are a Government SERVANT, If As we are told you are SACRIFICING then SACRIFICE ,you dont get to rip off the Owners,you want to work for the Government you are supposed to get paid LESS than the Private sector not double what the private sector gets ,STOP LYING to the American Public,you should all be Fired and your Pensions forfeited to the Social security fund and you will henceforth receive your checks from there


32 posted on 08/07/2010 6:34:23 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: Libloather

just curious - Should military pensions be at risk too?

I’ll have 25 years of service when I retire. I’ve deployed 3 times and will most likely go again. I’ve risked my life, been shot at, been separated from my family for countless months etc. Did I earn my 50% of base pay for life after I hang it up?


34 posted on 08/07/2010 7:33:21 AM PDT by strider44
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To: Libloather

Don’t forget the double-dippers! Those who are collecting pension checks and being a paid consultant.


37 posted on 08/07/2010 12:29:29 PM PDT by 100%FEDUP (I'm seeing RED!)
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To: Libloather

LOL. This idiot at the NY Times is just discovering this problem now? How stupid are these people?


43 posted on 08/07/2010 6:15:02 PM PDT by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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