Posted on 08/04/2010 5:27:36 PM PDT by Pontiac
A federal court in San Francisco on Wednesday overturned the state's voter-approved initiative banning same-sex marriages, in a landmark case that could force the U.S. Supreme Court eventually to decide if gays have a constitutional right to marry.
District court Judge Vaughn Walker ruled that 2008's Proposition 8 violated the constitutional guarantees to equal protection and due process because it singles out gays and lesbians for denial of a marriage license.
"The evidence shows Proposition 8 does nothing more than enshrine in the California Constitution the notion that opposite sex couples are superior to same-sex couples," wrote Judge Walker in a 138- page ruling.
The verdict doesn't mean same-sex couples can now get married in California. Judge Walker stayed new same-sex marriages in the state pending an appeal until at least August 6. Lawyers for the defense have said they plan to appeal.
The Prop. 8 case, known as the Perry trial after lead plaintiff Kristin M. Perry, was filed by two same-sex couples seeking to marry. In a bench trial conducted in January and June, they claimed that the state's ban on gay marriage is an infringement on the civil rights of gays and lesbians.
Lawyers for the defense, which was provided by Protectmarriage.com, argued that the court shouldn't overturn a law voted on by citizens.
While Judge Walker's verdict specifically reverses a line in the California state constitution that defines marriage as only between a man and a woman, the case could potentially re-write marriage laws and legal protections for gays and lesbians across the nation as it makes its way through appeal.
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The simple fact of the matter is that supporters of marriage as we know it are losing this fight, and without joining “our enemy’s enemy” it is lost. Within a year 5 more states will ban “gay marriage”, and five more judges will overturn their bans. I’m open to any suggestions...
And just to make sure, the coming generations have been well and truly indoctrinated in the government-run indoctrination centers known as public schools to be accepting of queer perversion as just another “lifestyle choice”. Time is not on our side in this matter. Christian prayer is outlawed on school property while Islamic prayer rooms are built on that same property. A student is kicked out of a graduate program for her Christian beliefs opposing homosexuality while Christian groups are forced to accept members who oppose their Christian opposition to homosexuality. I see a trend here, but it’s no surprise, the Bible foretold it, and this is only the beginning.
Watch them approve Kagan to SCOTUS today just as they had the wise latina
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I’m hoping the Supreme Court will claim appellate jurisdiction in this case and take it directly. The stakes are too high.
The judge decalred sexual behavior as an IMMUTABLE trait.
IOW all sex crimes are “born that way” and gurantees protection under the fundamental right to orgasm.
One fed judge has said it is up to the states.
This fed judge just said it is a federal supremacy fundamental right matter.
laws in conflict.
The saddest part is Ted Olsen spoke for the soddomites.
I am not worried about what Muslims do under Sha’ria Law, but I pray that when they do, they won’t be carrying out reprisals against people for the deaths called “collateral damage” done in the Middle East. True, they may follow the route of the Persian Empire under Cyrus, in which they preach to us that they delivered us from the tyranny of secularism, but there’s also a lot of anger in the Islamic world for the deaths caused by military action from Europe and the U.S.. It’s not a pretty picture. In the long-term, yes, Islam will take over, it just about appears inevitable to me based on the infertility rates of Europeans that this is true. The only question I am left with is, “How friendly they will be now that they have conquered the land of their persecutors and killers?”. I would figure that they would certainly appeal to the traditional Jews and Christians to solidify popularity, but then again, it’s not certain.
The even sadder part is how our schools were indoctrinating us the same about sex outside of marriage and now turn their heads the other way when the nation is high in out-of-wedlock births and STDs. We pay for the STDs through taxes to medicaid, and we pay a large welfare bill in taxes to support single-mother families. We bear a heavy burden for reckless behavior, yet we are taught that people are hard-wired to be promiscuous, commit homosexual acts, etc. It is all an attempt to justify the vast expenses dumped on the public through taxes for the welfare system.
Maybe this isn’t something that is a basic right but has a practical matter to be decided by the public at large...
IMO, I don’t see much of an if to this one. There is a tax bill placed on us to support irresponsible sex acts throughout the U.S. in everything from the welfare checks to families that are predominantly mothers with children born outside of wedlock, to AIDS as the number one federally researched disease in America, it’s primary American transmission occurs through means most of us know too well. We are citizens of this country, we pay the price of someone’s irresponsible sex acts in a large number of ways. Saying that our votes don’t count, is offensive, because we pay in taxes for numerous programs.
I can only pray that in the mercy of God the supreme ct. will rule against homosexual marriage. While we may concur with Muslim etc., we cannot suppose they are on the side of Christ.
A constitutional amendment.
Or an Article 5 convention to amend the constitution.
So what does that have to do with marriage?
Marriage is about children, family and the continuation of our culture.
These are things that gays and lesbians can not do, perhaps things that their activists are even opposed to.
Christianity has faced challenges before, and certainly early Christians faced much harsher persecution than we do. One silver lining to the child rape scandal in the Church was that the civil authorities turned on a hierarchy that they had come to an understanding with (to the detriment of the faith), and now that relationship is shattered. Church figures are now openly speaking out against “Catholic” politicians who support abortion and/or gay marriage, and the Church is now strongly (and visibly) supporting opposition to “gay marriage”. I don’t think these positions were being so clearly articulated when Churchmen & pols had their “understanding.
I don’t know what they would do, and I’m not optimistic about it (history indicates Muslims are not tolerant of “infidels”), but we are slowly losing this struggle so what other options do we have?
Muslims defend Christ more vigorously than Christians do; He is a prophet to them, and movies that mock Him are attacked by Muslims more aggressively than by Christians. Muslims understand that there can be no coexistence between a liberal “democracy” (in which small fringes somehow wield more power than the larger culture) and faith, and act accordingly. Their reaction to “gay marriage”, abortion, adultery, artificial contraception, and theft indicate that they are more “Christian” than most Western Christians.
Please do some research, and imagine how long you would last handing out Bibles in some devout Muslim village in Indonesia, etc, day after day, as the Jesus they represent is critically different than the true one of the Bible. http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/JESUS.Vs.Muhammad.html
I do have niece Muslim neighbors with whom i am friendly, and they want to be so, thank God, though i have given them gospel, tracts, and i esteem how much more respectful the kids are and how modestly dressed the women are. And we can, to a degree, be in unity in certain civic causes, I believe such Muslims as these seek to be free from the militant Islamic type republics, but it is the latter who have the doctrinal authority, by word and Muhammad’s example, to be the conquers they seek once they are in political power.
While i am glad that they are opposed to what the Bible, whose authority Islam relied upon but contradicted, defines as immoral, it does not stop there, and what fundamental Islam does is use liberal Islam to gain acceptance in the West, so that they may subject all to Islamic rule. And while Muslims understand that there can be no coexistence between a liberal “democracy”, what they are opposed to more is a strongly fundamental Christian republic, as that is no pliable to furthering the goal of Islamic domination.
I don’t need to do research; I understand what they are, and I understand what we’re up against here. We are slowly losing.
Certainly try and make friends with Muslims now, before they officially take over. That’s the only action I can think of off the top of my head.
IMMUTABLE trait
As was argued plenty of us in schools about who we are as teenagers and sexual activity. While the inclination can be part of one’s make, the actions of one should be controlled. There are widespread expenses left on society because people have not been controlling their actions responsibly.
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