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Attempt to repeal 1099 requirement fails
www.accountingweb.com ^ | 08-02-2010 | Staff

Posted on 08/02/2010 7:49:01 AM PDT by Red Badger

Efforts by House Democrats on Friday to repeal an Internal Revenue Service filing requirement contained in the new health care legislation failed when the measure fell short of the two-thirds majority vote needed to pass. The measure, proposed by House Ways and Means Chairman Sandy Levin (D-MI), sought to repeal a requirement of businesses to report to the IRS any purchase from a vendor of goods or services worth $600 or more during the calendar year.

The measure failed 241 to 154 in a vote that followed party lines almost entirely.

The American Institute of Certified Public Accountants (AICPA) last month told members of Congress they should repeal the reporting requirement, which takes effect next year, because it will be burdensome and costly for small businesses to compile the data and prepare the Form 1099-MISC information return.

Furthermore, the AICPA said the information collected on the 1099 forms will not be helpful to the IRS in collecting any unpaid taxes that should have been paid by the vendor because it will be difficult to reconcile payments reported on the forms and income reported by the vendor.

Rep. Levin on Friday said the reporting requirement is "a potentially onerous burden for small businesses." However, the extra reporting, according to The Wall Street Journal, is projected to raise $17 billion in government revenues for the IRS over the next decade because it will give the IRS ability to seek out income currently not reported by vendors.

To replace that revenue, Democrats proposed curbing foreign tax credits that multinational firms use to lower their U.S. tax burden. This revenue-raising proposal, however, presumably was the death knell for a measure supported by Democrats and Republicans, alike.

Sen. Mike Johanns (D-NE), among other senators, is looking to add a provision repealing the IRS reporting requirement to a small-business tax package pending in the Senate, according to The Wall Street Journal. Several Senate Democrats last month raised concerns with the IRS regarding the reporting mandate.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: 1099; tax
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To: Red Badger

Why would Republicans oppose this? Makes no sense.


21 posted on 08/02/2010 8:15:00 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (For the first time in half a century, there is no former KKK member in the US Senate.)
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To: DonaldC

I’M THINKING OF STARTING A NEW BUSINESS.

PRINTING 1099 FORMS...................


22 posted on 08/02/2010 8:15:00 AM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him in his MY FAVES.............)
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To: Qbert

DON’T KNOW.

A LINE IN THE BILL SAID “THIS TAX IS NOT TO BE CONSIDERED AS A TAX.”..........


23 posted on 08/02/2010 8:16:44 AM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him in his MY FAVES.............)
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To: Fresh Wind

To replace that revenue, Democrats proposed curbing foreign tax credits that multinational firms use to lower their U.S. tax burden. This revenue-raising proposal, however, presumably was the death knell for a measure supported by Democrats and Republicans, alike.

They couldn’t just admit it was wrong. I am sure there was much to it than this small blurb too.


24 posted on 08/02/2010 8:22:00 AM PDT by pas
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To: Fresh Wind

They don’t. The Dems tried to pull a bait and switch.............


25 posted on 08/02/2010 8:25:55 AM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him in his MY FAVES.............)
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To: Red Badger; All

Why do Democrats want records of purchases over $600? What is the average price of a firearm when you add in the background check, taxes and ammo?


26 posted on 08/02/2010 8:27:52 AM PDT by Dogbert41
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To: Dilbert San Diego

It does two things that I can see:

It saves the USPS, forcing us all to mail these 1099s.

It hides something among the mountains of 1099s. Somebody wants to get away with something, and one way is to hide it in plain sight.


27 posted on 08/02/2010 8:31:34 AM PDT by battlecry
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To: Dogbert41

Maybe I’m wrong, but the 1099s apply only to business purchases.


28 posted on 08/02/2010 8:35:20 AM PDT by battlecry
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To: Red Badger
No, let's keep this train wreck in progress. I don't want to see an Obama presidency saved by dims getting a clue. Let's just stop the introduction of new economy killers this fall and go into idle, so that people can witness the magic of what Obama has put in place so far.
29 posted on 08/02/2010 8:36:31 AM PDT by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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To: poobear
How the heck to we send Mobil and other gas stations 1099’s for over $600.00 worth of gasoline in a year. Think about that one. What about Progress Energy and the water company? Insurance anyone? What about the grocery store? How about ___________________?

I was thinking, USPS, UPS, FEDEX, Staples, Walmart etc. I didn't even think of Mobil, Sunoco, Citgo. Does it go to the corporate headquarters or to the local franchise. How the hell do you find out who owns every business you do business with. This is Crazy.

30 posted on 08/02/2010 8:36:45 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: Dogbert41

IT’s not just SINGLE purchases, it’s $600 IN TOTAL for the WHOLE YEAR!...............


31 posted on 08/02/2010 8:39:39 AM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him in his MY FAVES.............)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Let the IRS take the time to sort it out.


I think that was in the health care bill also. A simple statement was inserted that IRS gets to determine what a proper business deduction is. Won’t be determined by congress or tax court anymore and you won’t know what the rules are until the audit.


32 posted on 08/02/2010 8:39:55 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: Fresh Wind
Why would Republicans oppose this?

The article stated that the support for and opposition to the repeal broke along party lines. The Dems are the majority, so it looks like the Republicans voted *for* the repeal. Democrats opposed it (even though it was submitted by a Democrat), and won. If I'm reading this incorrectly, someone please let me know.

If this is indeed the case, it makes me even more angry. The House Republicans were willing to remove one of the warts from Health Care Reform. That tells me they don't have the guts to kill it in its entirety.

33 posted on 08/02/2010 8:39:57 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: cableguymn
I’ve been in business for 1 month and I already have 4 vendors that will get 1099’s.

It's the vendor that will have to generate the 1099s. You'll be filing one every time someone buys over $600 worth of stuff from you.

34 posted on 08/02/2010 8:43:24 AM PDT by poindexter
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To: Dogbert41

First step to the VAT tax.After they know all the purchase points in each step of getting a product to market they then say , now add in $ xxx.xx and send it in to the I.R.S.Have a nice day.
The kicker is this monster was hidden in the dang HEALTH CARE BILL that Nancy said “we have to pass it to find out what’s in it”.Torch and pitchfork time is getting nearer friends.


35 posted on 08/02/2010 8:45:50 AM PDT by sportscaster ("LET'S ROLL")
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To: battlecry
Maybe I’m wrong, but the 1099s apply only to business purchases.

Yes, then when they find out it doesn't work because only the business income is reported they will want to get your individual information. Your credit cards expense will be compared to the income reported by vendors but that is still not enough.

Govt is attempting to manage by computers. Technology is not a good substitute for management and common sense. The tax code will now be implemented by programmers in India who don't know a damn thing about taxes and that is the way the govt wants it.

36 posted on 08/02/2010 8:45:50 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: ALPAPilot
Absolutely! I remember Barnie Frank or one of those bozo's wanting to start employer withholding from these reported 1099’s. Just how is that going to work morons!
37 posted on 08/02/2010 8:48:29 AM PDT by poobear ("The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: battlecry
Maybe I’m wrong, but the 1099s apply only to business purchases.

You are correct. But think about it: here's one example. My wife is a self employed sales rep. She travels the Northeast seeing customers. She is now required to keep track of all her gasoline purchases, keep track of who owns the gas stations and and at the end of the calendar year figure who received more than $600 and prepare and send them an IRS 1099 form. In addition, she will have to keep track of all hotel stays, meals purchased, UPS expense, USPS expense, cell phone charges, Staples, Walmart etc. This is crazy.

38 posted on 08/02/2010 8:50:00 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: jiggyboy
1) Take control of the House in November
2) Start repealing this crap

3) Watch as Obama vetos the repeal bills
4) Watch and cry as the 2/3 majority to over-ride vetos can not be found.
5) Henious taxes will continue in place until at least 2013.

39 posted on 08/02/2010 8:51:44 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Charles Martel; pas; Red Badger

No, the Republicans voted against repeal. The title of the legislation is:

“To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to repeal the expansion of certain information reporting requirements to corporations and to payments for property, to eliminate loopholes which encourage companies to move operations offshore, and for other purposes.”

As always, the devil is in the details. Lord only knows what those “other purposes” are, but if Democrats were for them, they can’t be good for America.

Apparently, the evil hidden in that bill outweighed the good that would come from getting rid of the 1099 mandate.


40 posted on 08/02/2010 8:52:51 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (For the first time in half a century, there is no former KKK member in the US Senate.)
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