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To: savagesusie
"I think you are discounting the incredible influence that teachers (esp. when using psychology) have over captive children who seek approval and are among peers."

If I inadvertently gave you that impression, I am sorry. Most certainly, I agree with you. But there is still a different (and harder) question, who let those teachers in, who opened the door to them?

You say, for instance, that "with the Great Depression, people populated the churches again. What they didn’t realize at the time was that schools were undermining their values for six hours, five days a week." Very true. But that applies, as you point out, to their children. Those parents, however, voted for FDR who promulgated fascist policies (control of the industry, rather than ownership, as communists prefer) that were in fashion at the time in the West. (You may like "FDR's folly," if you have not read it already). They voted in the "progressive" Wilson even before WW I. What teachers are responsible for that?

When I tried to answer such questions, I go back in time in order to find those "teachers of teachers," and end up at a point I mentioned in the previous post: the Enlightenment. Religion started to retreat, and each "enlightened" generation served as teachers for even more "enlightened" children. The more vacuum was left, the more it was filled, generation after generation, by various forms of the ideology to which we now refer as "leftism." When looking at the current situation, therefore, I cannot help but feel as if I am looking at the tip of an iceberg, merely the latest stage of a long, long process. McCarty probably felt the same: it could not be allowed to get any worse, that process must be stopped at any cost. But it did get worse.

Having said this, I realized that this too has roots in psychology. Some Germans felt similarly during the rise of Hitler: it cannot get any worse. But it did. The purges and other atrocities perpetrated by Stalin have also left some Russians (even the initial believers in Marxism) wonder: can it possibly get any worse. And it still did. "It's not the worst of times if we can say it is," said Shakespeare (in King Lear, I think, but I am not sure).

I have faith in this country and think that a revival is possible. It may take, however, some unimaginable catastrophe --- a civil war, a dictatorship or some such thing that now seems so remote.

90 posted on 07/30/2010 7:05:10 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark

Yes, I agree with you, and think that people have stepped backward and allowed evil to dominate in many areas. It is so bad now that we are forced to take a stand or dissolve into total tyranny. We have allowed government to interfere in every aspect of our lives and take over the raising (and programming) of our children.

Bloom, in The Closing of the American Mind, chronicles the philosophy of the Enlightenment and how it shaped Europe and was brought over to the United States. It is one of the best books I have read on the subject.


91 posted on 07/30/2010 7:34:24 PM PDT by savagesusie
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