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Obama lobs jobs grenade
NY Post ^ | July 20, 2010 | S.A. Miller

Posted on 07/20/2010 3:00:44 AM PDT by Scanian

WASHINGTON -- President Obama and congressional Republicans went to war yesterday over extending unemployment benefits for millions of out-of-work Americans.

"It's time to stop holding workers laid off in this recession hostage to Washington politics," Obama said. "It's time to do what's right, not for the next election, but for the middle class."

Obama's hot rhetoric in the Rose Garden sought to divert voters' anger over the sputtering economy to Senate Republicans, who don't want the government to borrow $34 billion for another extension of benefits.

Republicans support extending jobless benefits only if the bill is paid for, which goes hand in hand with their argument that runaway government debt is undermining an economic recovery.

The GOP says that unused stimulus money could be used to fund the benefits extension or that spending could be cut so the deficit won't be increased. Some also believe the lengthy period of benefits can discourage people from job hunting.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: deficits; hostage; mentalillness; munchhausenbyproxy; narcissistinchief; nationaldebt; republicans; sociopath; stimulusmoney; workers
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To: thesharkboy

I’ve only really studied the gun parts of that, so not so much on basic setup. I was going by what’s actual law. Are there any specific quotes that contradict what’s in the constitution as far as spending goes? That might be interesting.


101 posted on 07/20/2010 5:41:20 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2

So, the only limit on the government is checks and balances?

Okay, so when a simple majority of the people elects a congress and a president that arer sympathetic to, say, denying a minority segment of the population certain rights - and the courts too are sympathetic - the government can “legally” take away my rights?


102 posted on 07/20/2010 5:41:20 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: Tolsti2

You stated repeatedly the French Revolution - then the “theory” of the Revolution.


103 posted on 07/20/2010 5:42:21 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: An.American.Expatriate

Sure, they did with prohibition. And it had to be returned via the same method is was installed. Amendments are the ultimate ‘do anything you want’ card.

They can do it other ways as well, try buying a machine gun made since 1986 without a class 3 license for instance.


104 posted on 07/20/2010 5:42:52 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: An.American.Expatriate

As soon as it was pointed out I corrected myself.


105 posted on 07/20/2010 5:43:13 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2
I’ve only really studied the gun parts of that, so not so much on basic setup. I was going by what’s actual law. Are there any specific quotes that contradict what’s in the constitution as far as spending goes? That might be interesting.

*sigh*

106 posted on 07/20/2010 5:44:12 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: An.American.Expatriate

To quote Rush “Elections matter”.

This is why.


107 posted on 07/20/2010 5:46:39 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2

Do you even read before you post - I said SIMPLE majority - not ammendments (the process being a limit on congressional power btw...)

Further, you think that the Amendment process can deny rights?

Also, using examples of government abuses of power does not justify the abuse and/or future abuse.


108 posted on 07/20/2010 5:47:45 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: Scanian

The basic problem, FWIW, is that extending unemployment benefits reduces pressure on Congress to change their socialistic ways.

Ending them is pro-capitalism.

That’s all any Pubbie with a set of stones and a spine needs to say when the Dry By Media starts to get snippy.


109 posted on 07/20/2010 5:50:19 AM PDT by mo
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To: An.American.Expatriate

I didn’t say what ‘should’ happen, I was saying what does. And yes, amendments have and in many cases do limit rights.

If the constitution had to amended for every action the government does it would be a 50 million pages long too.

Abuses of power are suppposed to be corrected by elections or the USSC. If not, then ‘we get the government we deserve’.


110 posted on 07/20/2010 5:50:28 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2
As soon as it was pointed out I corrected myself.

No, you changed it to "theory" of the revolution. I have have asked what that could possibly be?

111 posted on 07/20/2010 5:51:16 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: An.American.Expatriate

I answered you in 99.


112 posted on 07/20/2010 5:52:31 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2
Abuses of power are suppposed to be corrected by elections or the USSC.

You claim there are no limits on congressional power and then ay that abuses of power are to be corrected by the checks and balances system - if there are no limits how can there be abuse?

113 posted on 07/20/2010 5:53:08 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: An.American.Expatriate

You’re combing 2 seperate ideas. I said there’s no limit on congressional spending power. Not in the constitution. The congress itself sets those.

By abuses I mean things that are unconstitutional like if they tried to impose slavery again or something.


114 posted on 07/20/2010 5:55:49 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2
Are there any specific quotes that contradict what’s in the constitution as far as spending goes?

The Founding Fathers' views didn't contradict the Constitution. They wrote the Constitution. The Federalist Papers, and various letters written by these men, serve to explain more fully what they meant to be the powers reserved to the federal and state governments.

Here is an interesting article with many quotes: http://www.darkcanyon.net/How%20General%20The%20General%20Welfare%20Clause.htm

115 posted on 07/20/2010 5:58:22 AM PDT by thesharkboy (<-- Looking for the silver lining in every cloud, since 1998)
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To: LibLieSlayer
Check out in what year the LARGEST REVENUE TAKEN IN BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OCCURED.

LLS

OK, I've scoured your post and can't see any data. So, what year was it?

116 posted on 07/20/2010 5:58:24 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: thesharkboy

Yeah, I didn’t mean to use ‘general welfare’ to mean what a modern person would mean, I tried to be originalist about it. I know there really shouldn’t be any condradictions per se, but there were a lot of disagreements.


117 posted on 07/20/2010 6:01:23 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Scanian
Republicans support extending jobless benefits only if the bill is paid for

WRONG! This show how screwed up our representation is in Congress. NOTHING is paid for, it's all stolen. Stop dealing in stolen goods!

Send conservatives to Washington, we have precious few there now.

118 posted on 07/20/2010 6:01:43 AM PDT by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific!)
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To: Tolsti2

There were certainly disagreements among the Founding Fathers about many things in the Constitution. However, the “modern” (i.e., incorrect) interpretation of the General Welfare Clause is worlds away from what even the most pro-centralized government founders (Hamilton, for instance) intended.


119 posted on 07/20/2010 6:08:51 AM PDT by thesharkboy (<-- Looking for the silver lining in every cloud, since 1998)
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To: Tolsti2
I said there’s no limit on congressional spending power. Not in the constitution. The congress itself sets those.

Okay - Art 1. Section 8 limits powers of the congress - EXCEPT the power to raise and spend money, which they can do "as they please". Does that mean that the congress can pass a law which states that all persons who are or have ever been republicans must pay a 95% tax on all earnings, savings, profits etc ... failure to pay is a felony and results in loss of voting rights? Exactly what is meant by "general welfare"? Robbing the rich to help the poor?

120 posted on 07/20/2010 6:17:28 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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