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To: elephant

As I understand it, each state elects slates of electors in the presidential election. So, if you voted for McCain, you were voting for Republican electors who supported him. Ditto if you voted for Democratic electors who would support Obama.

Mass. is virtually certain to select Democrat electors in the next election. If a Republican wins the 2012 popular vote, are they really going to compel their Democrat electors to vote for the Republican candidate so that the popular vote winner wins their states’ electoral vote?

Can a state really force electors to vote a certain way? I thought that electors were free to vote for anyone, but that since all are party loyalists, they almost always support their party candidate.

And is such a law even constitutional?


12 posted on 07/19/2010 2:22:55 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego
And is such a law even constitutional?

The Constitution does not prevent any state from voluntarily deciding to silence the voice of it's own people in a presidential election.

I guess it never occurred to them that some state would be stupid enough to do so. They never met a modern liberal.

34 posted on 07/19/2010 2:36:17 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

There are some states that have “Faithless Elector” laws.
The constitutionality of these laws has never been tested.


41 posted on 07/19/2010 2:42:38 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Constution Article II:
Section. 1. The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; a quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President [Modified by Amendment XII].

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

If a state wants to subjugate its citizens' votes to that of the national majority vote, then its legislature can certainly do so within the Constitution.
45 posted on 07/19/2010 2:44:43 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Dilbert San Diego

When the bill comes into effect, all the electoral votes from those states would be awarded to the presidential candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC).

There have been 22,000 electoral votes cast since presidential elections became competitive (in 1796), and only 10 have been cast for someone other than the candidate nominated by the elector’s own political party. The electors are dedicated party activists of the winning party who meet briefly in mid-December to cast their totally predictable votes in accordance with their pre-announced pledges. Faithless electors are not a practical problem, and most states have complete authority to remedy any problem there could be, by means of state law.
If a Democratic presidential candidate receives the most votes, the state’s dedicated Democratic party activists who have been chosen as its slate of electors become the Electoral College voting block. If a Republican presidential candidate receives the most votes, the state’s dedicated Republican party activists who have been chosen as its slate of electors become the Electoral College voting block. The winner of the presidential election is the candidate who collects 270 votes from Electoral College voters from among the winning party’s dedicated activists.


118 posted on 07/19/2010 9:13:44 PM PDT by mvymvy
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