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Catholics and immigration in Arizona
guardian.co.uk ^ | 6-28-10 | Crista Cloutier

Posted on 07/13/2010 7:42:37 PM PDT by NoLibZone

Illegal immigration is at the centre of a renewed American debate. Arizona's Governor Jan Brewer recently signed SB1070, also known by the cheerful misnomer "Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act." At present, immigration is regulated by federal law. SB1070 will give the state of Arizona special powers to enforce this. It allows police to question a person's legal status when reasonable suspicion exists that the person is not an American citizen.

Their "illegal" status is the primary accusation against Mexican immigrants. But Father Charlie argues that this is a bureaucratic documentation problem, not a criminal act. "We are talking about paperwork, not a crime. By calling an undocumented worker a criminal, you put them in the same category as a rapist or burglar. This is our lowest moment. To vilify people for who they are, not what they have done."

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TOPICS: Editorial; Mexico; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; arizona; catholic; horsehockey; illegal; immigration; laraza; maldef; oligarch
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1 posted on 07/13/2010 7:42:38 PM PDT by NoLibZone
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To: NoLibZone
To vilify people for who they are, not what they have done."

The Onion?

2 posted on 07/13/2010 7:45:50 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (I never make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect.)
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To: NoLibZone

Unitl the Catholic Church is held accountable by it’s parishoners for it’s error on this issue, don’t expect it to be fully solved.

Any church, proclaiming itself to be of God that does not honor the laws of the land it resides in and supports those flagrantly break those laws, is walking outside the commands of Christ and the apostles.

Furthermore, since Illegals are nothing better than thieves because they take what is not theirs legally, that is tax-payer funded benefits, the error by the Catholic church and OTHER Churches, cannot be excused,.


3 posted on 07/13/2010 7:49:07 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: NoLibZone

Well. That certainly pi$$ed me off. Just because the UK has given up on the rule of law and surrendered to parasites doesn’t mean we have to.


4 posted on 07/13/2010 7:53:01 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: NoLibZone

Another soft-headed pinko priest. They’re a dime a dozen.


5 posted on 07/13/2010 7:54:34 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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To: NoLibZone
The catholic church could care less about the United States..
The RCC cares about the RCC..

More catholics means more political power..
More latins more political power..

6 posted on 07/13/2010 7:56:06 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Onelifetogive

The UK Guardian is a far left publication. Its reporters should instead ask UK citizens their opinions regarding the UK’s immigrant Pakistani muslims who preach hatred, disloyalty and sharia law.


7 posted on 07/13/2010 7:58:05 PM PDT by conservativehistorian (.)
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To: hosepipe

I am a Catholic and the great majority of my Catholic friends strongly support SB 1070. The naive sayings of a parish priest should not form your opinion of Catholics.


8 posted on 07/13/2010 8:01:16 PM PDT by conservativehistorian (.)
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To: conservativehistorian; hosepipe
I am a Catholic and the great majority of my Catholic friends strongly support SB 1070. The naive sayings of a parish priest should not form your opinion of Catholics.

I am quite sure that hosepipe was referring to the leadership of the Catholic Church which it has already been proven over and over again supports the Illegal Aliens.

The parishoners of the Catholic Church, which I am sure by a large number support your position, need to hold the leadership accountable.

They need to tell them "No mas!"
9 posted on 07/13/2010 8:03:35 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

The Catholic Church’s stand on illegal immigration has been consistent since about the 4th century AD. It’s one of the things that brought down the Roman Empire (all those wonderful future converts streaming across the frontiers) and it could destroy the US too.


10 posted on 07/13/2010 8:04:14 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Anyone who has read Roman history knows a barbarian invasion when they see one.)
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To: NoLibZone

Fortunately, the Catholic Church is not a democracy. The Catechism takes care of practical issues, and takes care of this one rather nicely and straight forwardly. The Church is not in error, priests are. They are human. To disregard the borders of nations is not excused by the Catholic Church. Period. Lawlessness is not okay. Yes, illegals here by 20 years or more may pose a difficult case, with many fully productive and patriotic individuals who are now with practically grown children born here, and others with grandchildren. However, for this nation to be under seige is unapologetically wrong and is abusive toward an otherwise charitable people. Catholics know this.


11 posted on 07/13/2010 8:05:18 PM PDT by RitaOK
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Their "illegal" status is the primary accusation against Mexican immigrants. But Father Charlie argues that this is a bureaucratic documentation problem, not a criminal act. "We are talking about paperwork, not a crime. By calling an undocumented worker a criminal, you put them in the same category as a rapist or burglar. This is our lowest moment. To vilify people for who they are, not what they have done."

This idiot sounds like Bill O'Reilly. No you imbecile, it is against our laws and is a CRIME, punishable by 6 months in prison for the first time your caught and it's a FELONY for the second time with 2 years imprisonment being the sentence.

You enter my house without permission, it's a crime. You enter my car without permission, it's a crime. You enter my Country without permission, it's a crime. What's so hard for these dimwits to understand?

I would have no problem prosecuting these Priests and Bishops for aiding and abetting criminals.

12 posted on 07/13/2010 8:06:11 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: SoConPubbie

Thanks for your response. It is time for targeted donations in the weekly envelopes.


13 posted on 07/13/2010 8:06:11 PM PDT by conservativehistorian (.)
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To: SoConPubbie
Is Father Charlie (Father Charlie??!!) an official spokesman of the Catholic Church?

No.

He’ just a misguided soul with an opinion in the matter regarding illegal immigration, one that's different from my priest's homily (sermon) last week, who preached that aliens not following another country's rules and laws regarding immigration are behaving sinfully—yet, both are not dictates of the Catholic Church but rather one priest's opinion.

Although my priest's opinion I think is nearer to the truth. I'd challenge any nation on Earth who let's in more immigrants—legally—than the USA. None come even close. Yet the foreign press is going to berate our country over wanting to—but not actually—deporting illegal aliens?

Catholics are not suddenly teaching people to disobey the law. Following the rule of law is required in order to be a Christian. Sure, we all have a moral imperative to disobey immoral laws, but how is our immigration law so ethically onerous, especially since we're letting in legal immigrants annually by the MILLIONS?

Why isn't it wrong to not wait your turn? Do those here illegally not know they're line jumping over others? Do they think those others patiently waiting are saps?

14 posted on 07/13/2010 8:08:48 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: hosepipe
RE: The catholic church could care less about the United States.. The RCC cares about the RCC.. More catholics means more political power.. More latins more political power..

While I agree in general with the Catholic bishops being out of touch with reality, I can't let it pass without noting that your statement is pretty idiotic. What do they become Catholics when the cross the border?

15 posted on 07/13/2010 8:17:25 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: hosepipe
More catholics means more political power..
More latins more political power..

Does one become more Catholic and more latin once one illegally enters the US?
16 posted on 07/13/2010 8:17:26 PM PDT by posterchild (Endowed by my Creator with certain unalienable rights.)
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To: Alas Babylon!
Catholics are not suddenly teaching people to disobey the law. Following the rule of law is required in order to be a Christian. Sure, we all have a moral imperative to disobey immoral laws, but how is our immigration law so ethically onerous, especially since we're letting in legal immigrants annually by the MILLIONS?

Sorry, but Charlie is not an isolated case. Many of the leaders of the Catholic Church have stated publicly many of the same sentiments.

Many of those articles have been posted on FreeRepublic.
17 posted on 07/13/2010 8:17:56 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: conservativehistorian
About 4 years ago a few miles from here, a drop house for illegals was busted by the Border Patrol, information came out that it was run by a local Catholic Church, and the Priest, I suspect other priests in the area were involved.

I don't hold that against Catholics not involved, but they need to be aware that these things are funded with their donations.

18 posted on 07/13/2010 8:19:17 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: conservativehistorian

Catholics are up for a political time. The money, property, and allowance of earthly forgiveness is under fire.


19 posted on 07/13/2010 8:22:22 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: posterchild

True Christians (I’m including Catholics here) know in their hearts what’s right and wrong—sin versus graceful works.

If I find several thousand dollars in an envelope with a business card on it; one with a name, phone number, and address, do I keep it, or try to contact the name on the card?

For a true Christian, that is a no-brainer. To keep it would be a sin, and imperils our soul. So we return it.

When we, then, as true Christians, violate another country’s reasonable laws on immigration, we are sinning. For a priest to advise a person that’s that is ust fine and dandy, well, in my opinion that priest is putting that soul and their own in jeporady. Since Catholics authorities are charged with safegaurding the souls in their flock, they are not being good shepherds, but rather wolves in sheeps clothing, to encourage illegal immigration. They are leading them to sin—not away.

I think illegals are not Christains at all. If they were, they’d be in line waiting for a visa.


20 posted on 07/13/2010 8:25:16 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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