Posted on 07/13/2010 10:24:53 AM PDT by Stayfrosty
Perhaps you should ditch the family myths and learn the REAL history.
Whilst that still may find the British wanting, you will at least learn the real story and not myth.
There will never truly be peace in Ireland until Northern Ireland, which was stolen from Ireland, is returned to Ireland’s jurisdiction. Sorry but that is a fact.
If Mexico somehow grabbed Texas from the US the situation would be the same.
Watch for the sneaky little turns of phrase, though.
“I did, however, say the IRA were like boy scouts compared to Islamist terrorists. That is irrefutably true.”
Bill Ayers and the weather underground targeted a few peace officers I guess they’re even better than the IRA right?
You wrote:
“What is your obsession with ‘deliberately targeting’ women and children as opposed to murdering and maiming women and children along with everyone else?.”
I have an obsession with the truth. You apparently don’t know what that is.
“What is your point?. What twisted moral point are you trying to make?.”
I am merely asking you to back up what you said. If you think backing up what you say is twisted, well, that tells us a great deal about you does it not?
You wrote:
“I am Scottish.”
Irrelevant. Can you back up your earlier claims or not?
“I have grown up with the IRA.”
No, you grew up with the threat of their violence. Can you back up your earlier claims or not?
“I have had a family member murdered by them.”
That’s a shame. Can you back up your earlier claims or not?
“I have Irish relatives, both Catholic and Protestant, by blood and marriage, in both Irelands.”
Irrelevant. Can you back up your earlier claims or not?
“And I am history graduate with an honours degree from Glasgow University, and have studied Irish history since I was 10. Thats 30 years ago.”
Irrelevant. I have a PhD in history. Can you back up your earlier claims or not?
“I KNOW my Irish history, from ancient times to modern day. Backwards and forwards.”
Then back up your earlier claims. This should be easy for you. Why are you failing time after time.
“So dont think for a second that you know more than me.”
Apparently I do know more than you.
Can you back up your earlier claims or not?
You wrote:
“Referring to the IRA as ‘boy scouts’ (in comparison to....) is utterly offensive.”
Irrelevant. The truth is often offensive. Can you back up your earlier claim or not?
“Offensive to anyone who has ever suffered from them, frankly anyone who simply lived through, even anyone anywhere who opposes terrorism.”
I don’t care if the truth is offensive to anyone. This just seems like your latest tactic to avoid backing up your claim. If you can’t back it up, why would you make it?
“Do you understand how offensive your remarks are?. Do you care?.”
No. I do not care in the least if my truthful comments are offensive to anyone. Anyone offended can feel free to email me and tell me they are offended. I will simply respond that offending them was not my intention, but I won’t lose any sleep over someone being offended by the truth.
Can you back up your claims or not? Stop making excuses. Stop avoiding it. Just back up what you calimed. For someone as skilled in history as you claim to be it should be child’s play.
You wrote:
“Bill Ayers and the weather underground targeted a few peace officers I guess they’re even better than the IRA right?”
Who was worse - the Nazis or the IRA? Pick one. Be honest. Which group was worse? It’s pretty obvious is it not? Thus, any honest person can see that some groups are less threatening and less dangerous than others. I don’t see how pointing that out is a problem.
If the IRA did not target women and children in their public pronouncements, what does that prove?. They still murdered plenty of them by proxy, as IRA bombs killed anyone in the area, irrespective of gender, race, religion, sexuality....
I am really at a loss to understand what point you are trying to make. I assume that it is to suggest that the IRA are several rungs on the ladder of moral evil lower than AQ.
And that therefore there is a sliding scale of moral evil attached to terrorists.
Perhaps if you would take a step back, you would see just how offensive that argument is and how morally repugnant it is.
You wrote:
“If the IRA did not target women and children in their public pronouncements, what does that prove?.”
The issue is their bombings first, not their pronouncements.
“They still murdered plenty of them by proxy, as IRA bombs killed anyone in the area, irrespective of gender, race, religion, sexuality....”
But did the IRA deliberately target women and children as Islamists have? Back up your earlier claim.
“I am really at a loss to understand what point you are trying to make.”
The point is simple: be accurate and precise. Can you back up your earlier claim?
“I assume that it is to suggest that the IRA are several rungs on the ladder of moral evil lower than AQ.
And that therefore there is a sliding scale of moral evil attached to terrorists.”
No. Both groups have acted imorally. That doesn’t change the fact that your failure to back up your claim seems to suggest that the IRA has never deliberately targeted women and children in their bombings. Islamists do.
“Perhaps if you would take a step back, you would see just how offensive that argument is and how morally repugnant it is.”
Again, I do not care if the truth offends anyone. I also cannot be worried in the least if someone finds the truth “morally repugnant”. That only indicates a moral failing on your part, not mine.
You’re fighting the good fight, but I think it may be pointless. There are thousands of “Irish Americans” in this country who will make excuses for the IRA until they are blue in the face. They probably think those 2 British soldiers shot last year as they were picking up their pizza were fair game. They’d still happily contribute to NORAID or any similiar cause when the hat is passed.
I really miss Irish_Thatcherite. But now I understand why he left this site. The moral relativism when it comes to this subject is disheartening.
Whos worse the Nazi’s or Al Queda? pick one... Or is evil just evil?
I really miss Irish_Thatcherite. But now I understand why he left this site. The moral relativism when it comes to this subject is disheartening.
Yes, it is depressing to see here a recurrence of these old, half-informed, polarised stereotypes. I'd really hoped that attitudes on the subject in the US had matured just as they have, to a very large extent, in Northern Ireland itself. Apparently not, if what you say is true. What we have to remember is that we now have a working, workable (albeit undoubtedly flawed) system of government in Northern Ireland which has been endorsed by the electoral mandate of the whole island (the Republic and the North). It's an interim stage, undoubtedly, to something more permanent: but it does mean that those who were once apparently irreconcilable enemies are now working together, talking to each other, and at last recognising that they have more in common than they had ever suspected. In that context the events of the last few days are not that significant.
Juvenile reply.
Here let me try.
I know you, what am I?
You spelling is atrocious- his name is Jesus.
Is this so or are YOU just being a "smarta**"?
Nice post.
“What is sickening is how you repeatedly lie about what has been said. I asked you to show that women and children were deliberately targeted in a bombing. I already even said that such a bombing may have taken place but that I can’t think of it. Can you think of one or not.”
The Omagh bomb in 1998 was in a car outside a shop that specialised in childrens school clothes, at the time of year parents take their children to buy school clothes at the start of the school year.
http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/omagh/before.html
Of course, you think thats just an unfortunate mistake and it was done by the RIRA not the PIRA so its even more easy to maintain the misty eyed love of the brave freedom fighters.
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