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Officers In Costco Shooting Identified (NV)
fox5vegas.com ^ | 12 July, 2010 | NA

Posted on 07/13/2010 3:47:06 AM PDT by marktwain

Edited on 07/13/2010 4:51:40 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

LAS VEGAS -- Las Vegas Metro police on Monday identified the three officers who shot and killed an armed man outside a Costco store in Summerlin.

They are Officer William Mosher, 38, a five-year veteran of the department, Officer Joshua Stark, 28, who has been with the department since September 2008, and Officer Thomas Mendiola, 23, who joined the department in March 2009.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: banglist; braking; costco; donutwatch; erikscott; gun; police
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To: kanawa

From your post 39, that sounds far too stupid for a West Pointer to do.


261 posted on 07/13/2010 10:08:51 AM PDT by wastedyears (The Founders revolted for less.)
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To: School of Rational Thought

Reaching for it and pointing it at the cop are two very different things. One of those descriptions also says it was in a padded case when he reached for it, and both are consistent with the witness reports who say one of the cops instructed the guy to “drop your weapon.”


262 posted on 07/13/2010 10:09:01 AM PDT by conimbricenses
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To: freedomwarrior998
We have two witnesses who say that the man reached for a gun.

And others who say he didn't. I guess we'll need to see the videos, if available.

263 posted on 07/13/2010 10:11:22 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (Bush: Mission Accomplished. Obama: Commission Accomplished.)
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To: freedomwarrior998
They know that they have a guy with a gun in front of them, and he reaches for the weapon. That's it. Make an objectively reasonable decision in less than 2 seconds.

What if one of the officers had ordered him to "drop the weapon" and he was just complying with the request by reaching for his gun? At least one of the witnesses said he heard this request, if I recall correctly. I'll go back and read the thread again.
264 posted on 07/13/2010 10:11:43 AM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: Grunthor
Who are unwilling to obey traffic laws.

Nonsense. When you need radar to tell if someone is 5mph over or write tickets to a motorist who was 8mph over because all of the traffic was, that has nothing to do with "safety" and everything to do with "revenue". That is why seatbelt laws are the new darling of "law enforcement". Big fines to tack on for a person bother no one. It is theft, and not surprisingly these thefts are way up since the economy tanked.

265 posted on 07/13/2010 10:12:19 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: RandallFlagg

“That spokesman also stated that they found TWO weapons on the victim.”

Probably a totally different tool like a pocket knife.


266 posted on 07/13/2010 10:12:29 AM PDT by George from New England (Escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: MileHi

Interestingly, if the local seat-belt law references the federal seat-belt law then [likely] you don’t have to have/wear a seat-belt in your fare if it was manufactured before 1968.


267 posted on 07/13/2010 10:15:20 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Rennes Templar

I hope these cops get put in with the general prison population. I really do.


268 posted on 07/13/2010 10:15:22 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: OneWingedShark

Funny th8ing is, riding a motorcycle with no belt is not a “safety issue” but sitting inside a 3000 lb vehicle without it is.


269 posted on 07/13/2010 10:18:15 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: freedomwarrior998
the police do not have to wait until a gun is pointed at them before they fire.

Obviously. In fact the person does not even have to be holding a gun at all. He could be holding a taco for all they care, but if the cop wrongly mistakes that taco for a gun he feels he has free reign to open fire. And therein lies the problem.

By the way, the Tueller drill is pseudo-scientific nonsense based on a misinterpreted article from a trade magazine article in the 1980's. It was originally posed as a piece of "rule of thumb" style advice in that article and has not been scientifically verified in a controlled test.

270 posted on 07/13/2010 10:18:19 AM PDT by conimbricenses
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To: freedomwarrior998

Only one problem with your scenario. In this case the officers already had their guns drawn and aimed at the individual. Reaction time to simply squeeze the trigger is almost zero.

If the man’s gun never came out of the holster they had absolutely no reason to kill him.


271 posted on 07/13/2010 10:19:49 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (No matter who you think you are, God retains His pardon and veto powers.)
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To: RandallFlagg

A lot of CCL holders I know regularly carry a “boot gun” in addition to their primary weapon. It’s usually a small caliber backup pistol that fits in a pocket or a boot in case the primary handgun jams or something. As West Pointer with many years of firearms experience, it is not out of the ordinary that Scott would have carried a boot gun.


272 posted on 07/13/2010 10:20:47 AM PDT by conimbricenses
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To: driftdiver

The cops in this country are out of control.


273 posted on 07/13/2010 10:23:53 AM PDT by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: All

This was a murder by LEO....and they will get away with it, because they are the police. The superiors will rally around them and the union will provide a good lawyer and they will lie their a$$ off to cover it.

Please do not ask me to sympathies or morn the loss of any LEO when they are killed. I paint with a broad brush because if the, “good ones” dont stand up and point out the bad ones, in my book that makes them just as guilty. No better than someone who watches a murder and lies of fails to testify to cover for their buddy.

I don’t trust any LEO and I wouldn’t call one if my life depended on it. Funny thing is, I would be more likely to get shot by them than a common criminal....


274 posted on 07/13/2010 10:24:07 AM PDT by texan75010
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To: raybbr
> I’ve heard 3 different accounts of this story

One post for each version????????????????

LOL !

275 posted on 07/13/2010 10:25:32 AM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: MileHi
Funny th8ing is, riding a motorcycle with no belt is not a “safety issue” but sitting inside a 3000 lb vehicle without it is.

Silly person. You are trying to use logic and reasoning on a cop.

276 posted on 07/13/2010 10:26:17 AM PDT by conimbricenses
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To: conimbricenses

Yes, and plenty of typos....{:0)


277 posted on 07/13/2010 10:40:33 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Grunthor
“Again - I know cops who refer to us as “civilians”.” What else would they refer to you as?

How about fellow civilian? Can't stand cops who think they are in some sort of military unit. The police should never be confused with the military; the day that happens is the day the Republic dies.

278 posted on 07/13/2010 10:41:25 AM PDT by chargers fan
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To: 101voodoo
I lay all the responsibility on the police in this instance since it appears all the eye witnesses seem to agree there was no weapon in the hand of the deceased and the police had no reason whatever to even draw their weapons much less discharge them in a lot crowded with shoppers.

If, and I admit this is unlikely, someone in Cosco called the police and made a false report of a man with a gun acting in a criminal manner, I would see if that act rose to the level of a felony. If so, does Nevada have a felony murder statute? Throwing people with guns into a confrontational situation in a crowded area through lies is criminally negligent, and if it results in someone's death then they should be held accountable.

That in no way effects to responsibility of the police. Their actions need to be evaluated based on what they knew at the time and how the situation unfolded. The guilt or innocence of the person who reported the crime is irrelevant to that evaluation.

279 posted on 07/13/2010 10:42:31 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: MileHi

“or write tickets to a motorist who was 8mph over because all of the traffic was”

“But mommy, all the other kids were doing it too” never passed the smell test when I was growing up.


280 posted on 07/13/2010 10:43:33 AM PDT by Grunthor (I like you but when the zombies chase us, I'm tripping you.)
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