[Gondring]

Moist well-meaning “pro-lifers” don’t realize that the cells used in “embryonic stem-cell research” aren’t from embryos. The genetics are, but they are no more from embryos than saying, “you have your grandmother’s eyes” means they were plucked out and transplanted.

Secondly, no embryos are killed to continue research. The embryos starting those lines died decades ago.

Both the FDA and “pro-life” scam artists are anti-science, choosing to maintain power by fooling good people.

[Gondring]

uh, most, not moist.

It’s the FDA that’s all wet. :-)

[Agamemnon]

Both the FDA and “pro-life” scam artists are anti-science, choosing to maintain power by fooling good people

Who's a pro-life "scam artist"? Name one.

The only scam artists and anti-scientists out there are atheistic idiots who call themselves scientists who think they can create and have created themselves, and at the same time can't tell us how they supposedly planned their own creation to begin with -- or even why.

Moist well-meaning “pro-lifers” don’t realize that the cells used in “embryonic stem-cell research” aren’t from embryos.... Secondly, no embryos are killed to continue research. The embryos starting those lines died decades ago.

Guess you missed this:

Obama lifts research restrictions on embryonic stem cells

The hundreds of other embryonically-derived cell lines now available for NIH funding include those embryo-originated cell lines obtained after August 9, 2001 -- the date of Bush's original ban on funding of such lines for NIH-sponsored research -- which were derived after that date. So, no, embryonic cell lines used since 2009 are not only from embryos who "died" (i.e., were killed) decades ago.

Furthermore, private funding of embryonic stem cell research has continued all along, using the cell lines of recently killed embryos. Much of the private funding for this research has dried up due to continuing failures with the embryonic lines. Obama's reversal of Bush's ban just infused more tax-payer derived research $ into patently unproductive research, and serves as a sop to the pro-abortion lobby and the Mengele-manics in embryology labs.

I have already cryo-banked my own adult stem cells, because more than 100 published studies have shown great therapeutic benefits in many contexts already. In 20 years when I may need them, and more scientific advances have been realized, I expect that I will be benefitted by having done so.

Embryonic-derived stem cell research is characterized by failure after failure; the strains are "wild types," which are poorly understood, and which, unlike with adult stem cells, have signaling pathways which are simply not at all predictable.

The only way one obtains more varieties of embryonic stem cells is by killing more embryos. Sounds more like the Joesef Mengele school of exploitative medicine than anything else.

Perhaps more telling is that it is yet another manifestation of the failure of an evolutionary world-view put into practice in the study of science.

At the point in earliest life development when evolutionists think they might be able to exercise the most control over the seemingly more "simple" less- differentiated development of the embryonic line -- to be able to manipulate and "create" a tissue type more to their own design and liking -- they find that the reality is quite the opposite and far more complex than they ever imagined.

[wagglebee]

well-meaning “pro-lifers” don’t realize that the cells used in “embryonic stem-cell research” aren’t from embryos.

Actually they are, but don't let the truth get in the way of your pro-death agenda.

Secondly, no embryos are killed to continue research. The embryos starting those lines died decades ago.

No, they were KILLED decades ago.

“pro-life” scam artists are anti-science, choosing to maintain power by fooling good people.

"Pro-life scam artists"? Are you sure you're on the right forum?

[Coleus]

The embryos starting those lines died decades ago. >>>

I’m glad you admit that it’s ok to kill someone years ago only to do research on their cells many years later. “Good People” don’t do that, bad people do.

[metmom]

Moist well-meaning “pro-lifers” don’t realize that the cells used in “embryonic stem-cell research” aren’t from embryos.

OK, then tell us where they're from and why the term *embryonic stem cell* is used.

Both the FDA and “pro-life” scam artists are anti-science, choosing to maintain power by fooling good people.

While I have no use for the FDA and agree that it certainly could fit in the anti-science category, that is NOT true of pro-lifers. Just as evos like to throw around the pejorative of being *anti-science* to non-evos who object to the evo/atheist agendas, you are throwing the accusation around with no basis.

Objecting to immoral action is not *anti-science*. Murder is a moral issue, not a scientific one.

[EternalVigilance]

...no embryos are killed to continue research. The embryos starting those lines died decades ago.

So, I suppose you would have no problem with using the skin of Jews killed in a concentration camp for lamp shades. After all, the Jews are dead anyway, and just think how much light will be shed for those who are sitting in darkness!

/s

[Coleus]

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[MHGinTN]

You’re a liar. Why? Don’t you realize that since 2000 new lines of embryonic derived stem cells are being used in non-government funded research programs, and the embryonic stem cell lines are definitely from what were living embryos who were ‘harvested for their body parts, their stem cells. It is not now uncommon for an in vitro fert process to ‘donate’ the unused —what they call the excess— embryos to stem cell harvesting. Why would you lie so blatantly about that reality?