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Dutch Establishment Rejects Election Results
Hudson new york ^ | July 7, 2010 | Thomas Landen

Posted on 07/09/2010 5:51:40 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn

Dutch Queen Beatrix does not like Member of Parliament Geert Wilders, the winner of the recent elections in the Netherlands; she is attempting to prevent the formation of a right-wing coalition that includes him.

On June 9, 2010, the Liberal VVD became the largest party in the Netherlands. It won 31 of the 150 seats in the Dutch House of Representatives, compared to 22 in the 2006 general election. The largest winner of the election, however, was the PVV, the Freedom Party of Geert Wilders, which won 24 seats, compared to only 9 in 2006. The parties of the resigning center-left coalition of Prime Minister Jan-Peter Balkenende suffered considerable losses. Mr. Balkenende’s own Christian-Democrat CDA fell to 21 seats from 41; the Labor Party fell to 30 seats from 33; and the Christian Union (CU) fell to 5 seats from 6.

Theoretically, the electorate’s major swing to the right allows VVD-leader Mark Rutte to form a government with Mr. Wilders’ PVV and the Christian-Democrats. This coalition would have 76 of the 150 seats and could count on the support of the small right-wing Protestant party SGP (2 seats) and perhaps even the CU (5 seats). Such a VVD-PVV-CDA coalition is that preferred by Mr. Rutte and also by the Dutch electorate.

By appointing Herman Tjeenk Willink as her informer and representative in the coalition talks, the Queen has made it clear that she wants Labor to be part of the coalition. Before the elections, Labor explicitly stated that it would not form a government with the PVV.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dutch; islam; netherlands; pvv; wilders
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To: Southack

Queen Beatrix’s husband did have Nazi connections, so it’s not out of order to bring it up.


21 posted on 07/09/2010 10:51:20 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Steve Van Doorn; kabumpo

No, it’s not acceptable to toss “Nazi” around as your first post on a subject. It completely degrades the discussion to an unacceptable level.


22 posted on 07/09/2010 10:55:56 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Steve Van Doorn
Queen Bee's only survive if they have enough worker bees to feed and care for them.

She apparently does not have enough bees and the new worker bee does not plan to feed her.

23 posted on 07/09/2010 10:59:03 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Southack
I personally don't have a aversion to the word Nazi. I recall when I was very young in school during the early sixties that there was a certain sensitivity to the word, but I figured that since my conservative views have been called Nazi for more than 30 years, the words meaning had been lost to many.

IMO, there were Dutch people, quislings who made their nest with the occupation German troops, but that was also rampant throughout Europe, especially the French. But nobody ever points at them anymore.

We should indeed leave the past in the past. We have the new Nazis to deal with today, but they call themselves progressives now. The word meanings have been intentionally changed over time, but the goals and methods are still there. Fascism is still fascism, no matter the lipstick color.

24 posted on 07/09/2010 11:10:40 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Southack

If you’re referring to Europe during WWII, it’s hard to avoid. Why does it matter if it’s your first post or your 10,000? Is there some kind of rule about this?


25 posted on 07/09/2010 11:21:42 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: kabumpo

This is a thread about election results this week.

Not about WW2.


26 posted on 07/09/2010 11:22:59 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Steve Van Doorn
The Christian Democrats would not create a coalition with the PVV?

See Dutch News:

Thursday 17 June 2010

Talks on forming a right-wing government between the VVD Liberals, anti-Islam PVV and Christian Democrats stranded on Thursday morning, sending negotiator Uri Rosenthal back to queen Beatrix to discuss what to do next.

'My conclusion is that a cabinet with a parliamentary majority made up of the VVD, PVV and CDA is not possible,' Rosenthal told reporters on Thursday afternoon.

[...]

There is also strong opposition within the CDA to joining a coalition with the PVV because of its anti-Islam stance. A number of prominent party members threatened to quit if the CDA joined a government which included Wilders.

The CDA made a ploy where the other two parties (VVD and Wilders' PVV) had to first lay on the table what compromises they would make with each other before CDA would even come to the table. This was a ploy to stall for time, and to screw VVD and PVV by having them make compromises that would necessarily alienate some of their core, and then CDA would pull the rug out from under them.
27 posted on 07/10/2010 7:27:37 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

“Considering how readily the Dutch collaborated with the Nazis genocidal policies”

Source ?


28 posted on 07/10/2010 7:42:46 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Southack

If the roots of what occurred are in WWII or even in The Hundred Years’ War, why not mention it?


29 posted on 07/10/2010 8:20:24 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: kabumpo

You are being dense. Making a modern event into something related to WW2 to to justify using a tired and unimaginative “Nazi” metaphor/insult drags down the level of the discussion.

The current elections do not have roots in WW2.

The current thread is not about WW2.

You have tried. You have failed to make this into a WW2 thread in order to justify an out of control rant by another poster.

Give it up.


30 posted on 07/10/2010 8:32:03 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack; kabumpo

Me, I blame Martin Luther and his merry band of apostate heretics. But then that is just me.


31 posted on 07/10/2010 8:34:42 AM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: PapaBear3625

Thank you


32 posted on 07/10/2010 12:16:45 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn
The Christian Democrats are the party of the Dutch Establishment, sort of like their version of "Country Club Republicans". Their Establishment is threatened by Wilders, much like the US Republican Establishment is threatened by people like Sarah Palin. The CDA spent years getting along with the Labor Party, and do not want anybody coming along to upset their little arrangement.

The CDA illustrate the old saying "If voting could really change anything, it would be illegal too".

33 posted on 07/10/2010 12:24:06 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Southack; hinckley buzzard
The socialists have over the years managed to blame everything that is bad on the right. In my opinion one of the biggest of these lies was the National Socialists are not socialists but magically they became right wing after the war.

Socialists haven't changed anything other than their image.
instead of being nationalist they are worldly. Instead of hating groups they pity groups and so on.

My point:
Personally I love to point out who the socialists really are as much as possible.
In other words, I don't agree with your statement that bringing up old history is irrelevant to this discussion or most discussions, Because the socialists haven't gone away.

34 posted on 07/10/2010 12:52:56 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Grzegorz 246
They obviously didn't take polls back then on how many sided with the Nazi's but if you look at how effective the resistance groups were is not a bad measure.

The Dutch resistance was stronger then the French resistance(mostly made up of Communist which was a very small minority) but nothing held a candle to the Serbian resistance.

So if the Serbian resistance is the bench mark the Dutch were at least complacent with the NAZI's in general.

35 posted on 07/10/2010 1:28:43 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn

This is not a thread about Serbian resistance in WW2. What you are doing is called thread-jacking.

This is a thread about modern-era elections. Stay on topic.


36 posted on 07/10/2010 3:01:04 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
I addressed you in post number 34. The post you are now referring to was answering a question the best I know how to Grzegorz 246.

Lighten up. We are here to discuss a great deal of ideas.
If the thread was busy I would take it someplace else out of respect for others.

37 posted on 07/10/2010 6:07:37 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: narses; Southack; kabumpo
Me, I blame Martin Luther and his merry band of apostate heretics. But then that is just me.

Nebuchadnezzar.

Th' bastard is the root of all of this.

38 posted on 07/10/2010 9:21:58 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz

Yep!


39 posted on 07/10/2010 9:24:18 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: Southack
This is a thread about modern-era elections. Stay on topic.

True, but I find that the strengths of strongly-typed SQL datatypes presented by LINQ to SQL tend to overcome the limited overhead additions, as well as the lack of flexibility in being unable to develop in a disconnected setting.

40 posted on 07/10/2010 9:36:25 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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