Posted on 07/07/2010 8:21:33 PM PDT by colorcountry
Word from inside the Mitt Romney 2012 presidential campaign team is that Romney will abandon his 2008 strategy of seeking to win over social conservatives—evangelical or born-again Christians—for whom his Mormonism is a major deterrent.
In 2008, the Romney campaign had hoped the candidate’s clean-cut, family-man profile would be enough to win over socially conservative Christians, many of whom harbor deep misgivings about Mormonism fed in large part by a thirty-year campaign of “spiritual warfare” against Mormonism begun in the 1980s at Fuller Theological Seminary under the auspices of its anti-“cult” ministries.
Romney’s 2008 candidacy was consistently shadowed not only by evangelical Christian anti-Mormon animus but also by general public misunderstanding of Mormonism and popular ridicule of Mormon beliefs and practices. Romney opponents and media personalities mocked everything from arcane nineteenth-century teachings by LDS Church leaders to the daily wearing by observant LDS Church members of devotional garments under one’s street clothes, a deeply personal form of religious practice dear to Mormons as an expression of personal commitment to the faith.
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I might be younger than you there was a time before the 70’s when if you were baptized in another church you had to be baptized again if you changed.
and just like that along the way thie requirment has been null and void.
In the 50’s & 60’s oh the commotion in the family house holds especially those who made a big deal about it.
Protestants going to a Catholic wedding and VS or wondering about if they were going to serve alcohol or not at the events and of course trying to wrap their mind around each others customs.
Today one should try to figure out if these changes were church policy or the Lord’s doctrine.
I myself see nothing wrong with the Trinity for many still feel they are worshiping the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
It is when the Council of Nicene 325 AD enter into this is arguement and said this is the interpretation.
Now that is 325 years after the death of Christ these man took it upon themselves to settle the dispute.
No matter how one slices it, it is still 3 personages with 3 different missions.
Anyway thank you for your civil discourse.
Who is Mitt Romney again?
The Eastern Orthodox Church agrees about what they describe as a "cult".
"A: The reason Mormons are not considered separated brethren is not because they aren't "separated" from the Church-they are-but they aren't "brethren" in the sense required.
The phrase separated brethren refers to those who, though separated from full communion with the Catholic Church, have been justified through baptism and are thus brethren in Christ. The Decree on Ecumenism (Unitatis Redintegratio) of Vatican II teaches that "all who have been justified by faith in baptism are members of Christ's body, and have a right to be called Christian, and so are correctly accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church."
Because Mormonism is polytheistic and rejects the Trinity, Mormon baptism is not valid, and Mormons are not considered separated brethren.
Because Mormonism is polytheistic and rejects the Trinity,
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The LDS does not rejuect the Father Son and Holy Ghost the Lord makes it very clear in many passages in the Bible that they one in mind and seperate beings.
The very fact that Jesus receive a mortal body on earth seperates Him from the Heavenly Father.
Jesus has paryed ti the Father in Heaven to take away thsi cup.
Jesus has asked the Father in Heaven to forgive them
Jesus has asked the Father that the same blessing be upon those who beleive on Jesus
Look I could say you too are polytheistic because Trinity is still 3 personages.
Like I said there was a time that many protestants beleived in the Apostle Creed which differs from the Nicene Creed.
The LDS are Not polytheistic I take the word literal you need a Father and a mother to sire a Son.
The defenition of word have not changed from the beganning.
BTW a Christian is one who believes in Jesus Christ.
In John 17 here is an intercessory prayer between Jesus Christ and God, His Heavenly Father
John 17
Jesus offers the great intercessory prayer—He is glorified by gaining eternal life—He prays for his apostles and all the saints—How the Father and Son are one.
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou
gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
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20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, F
ather, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
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24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
I would never vote for a Mormon! His loyalties lies with the LDS over America.
Still trying to convince yourself that Mormonism is just another Christian denomination?
You still never answer my questions about why the 1830 and the 1981 BOM are different.
I will have to take the Catholic Church’s scholarship over yours on this question of Mormonism being Christian,
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I understand where you are coming from but I also feel the scriptures are very clear
My point was not dispute on who is more Christian i know who I am.
It was the term polytheistic I felt John 17 reveal that Jesus wanted many to know of the Heavenly Father.
John 17 excerpt of Jesus intercessory prayer
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
Thank you for your time and have a good day!
So do Christians, that is why the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, and the Protestant Churches all agree that Mormonism is not Christian.
I understand where you are coming from but I also feel the scriptures are very clear
So do Christians, that is why the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, and the Protestant Churches all agree that Mormonism is not Christian.
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Well if seems from your comments ansel12 the churches of the world have spoken!
And I feel also the Lord has spoken...
Matt. 15: 8
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Why not quote the cult’s Joseph Smith “bible” to show that all the Christians of the world are wrong about the Christian bible.
Well I knew already by your post that those notorious antis were coaching you
One can have all their prejudice and say so, but the truth belongs to God not some scholar or philosophy of men.
This is why our constitution is in trouble because the Humanist has taken over command of words and many religious scholars are caught up in the jargon.
It is the Humanist philosophy so many are following and don’t even know it, because it has crept in slowly over decades or longer they are in our Art, Science, government, diluted our laws and even diluted the meaning of Word.
Father and Son in the Bible don’t mean two personages it has become one invisible blob.
Yet the Son has a body of Flesh and Blood and now a resurrected body of Flesh and Bone.
Yet to hear so many still trying to call the Trinity which means 3 as “one substance” yet at the same time Jesus has an resurrected body of flesh and bone...
it NEVER did mean “one substance” it is “One in mind”
Just like the scripture said that Husband and wife “two separate beings” are to become “one” that is one in mind!
So you don’t want to call the LDS Christian find it is God who has the final say not the men on earth!
You are telling a lie there, is that part of the method of deceit that the Mormon cult teaches?
Well I knew already by your post that those notorious antis were coaching you
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You are telling a lie there,
Well I would not call it a lie I could have assume wrong after all I have witness this kind of coaching which has happen in the pass.
is that part of the method of deceit that the Mormon cult teaches?
No it is not I would say it is common sense that makes one question when it seems like familar pattern.
Well your “common sense” led you to lie.
No one has ever tried to “coach” me on freerepublic, I’m not even 100% clear on what you mean by such a dishonest, paranoid statement.
I wonder if this is a piece of the methods that Mormons are taught in their campaign to pull unsuspecting people into their cult, I have seen the video of that prominent Mormon professor, teaching cult members in the art of “milk before meat” concealment of the true Mormon religion, when seeking to ensnare possible new followers.
No one has ever tried to “coach” me on freerepublic, I’m not even 100% clear on what you mean by such a dishonest, paranoid statement.
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nope never thought of you in that statement...
When I made that statement and since I don’t know you it never occured to me that you would think I was refering to you that others freepers were coaching you
My focus was on the antis there are a few who do practied coaching anti LDS stuff that I am aware of...
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I wonder if this is a piece of the methods that Mormons are taught in their campaign to pull unsuspecting people into their cult, I have seen the video of that prominent Mormon professor, teaching cult members in the art of “milk before meat” concealment of the true Mormon religion, when seeking to ensnare possible new followers.
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Yep how to handle those who try to poison the water of one’s faith
Ah yes one of the antis loves to post that video along with their editorial, but if one were to listen with an open mind there is nothing sinister going on there that would not be taught in any other religion.
I am not talking about doctrine but how to handle those who try to malign and create a hostel environment towards another faith!
At one time and still to this day Catholic still experience those who try to distort their religion
That is why “milk before meat” is a good practiced so there is a good foundation to build upon!
1 Cor. 3: 2
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
Hebrew 5
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Catholic have experience where others try to poison the water and then trying to undo the damage done by anti-Catholics it is the same for the LDS trying to undo the damage done by anti LDS.
Ever since I saw this headline earlier in the week, it has bothered me: to surrender something, you must already possess it.
Now you are claiming that you didn't say that at all "nope never thought of you in that statement... When I made that statement and since I don’t know you it never occured to me that you would think I was refering to you that others freepers were coaching you".
You are also lying about Christianity and that video "Ah yes one of the antis loves to post that video along with their editorial, but if one were to listen with an open mind there is nothing sinister going on there that would not be taught in any other religion".
No Christian religion teaches it's members to hide Bible teachings, or the Christian faith, only the Mormon Cult teaches it's devotees to hide the actual teachings from possible convertees.
You seem willing to say anything in the search for new followers, that is what Mormonism teaches, as that video proves. I have never seen a class of Christians being taught to conceal Christianity, but I have seen a class of Mormons being taught to hide the unique Joseph Smith religion's beliefs.
Yes the focus was antis not freepers in general how hard is that for you to separate.
You reply to as as I read it was that I was accusing you of receiving coaching in general.
You said you did not receive any coaching from antis what more do you want from me I said I assume wrong!
You may think you are a Christian but you action speak otherwise you continue to want to contend and say things that was not implied!
There is nothing wrong with that video and it is not hiding anything
Milk before meat it is scriptural and counsel from the Lord you have a problem with it take it up with Jesus!
When you know how to handle things in your own backyard and not have baggage of your faith let me know.
You see I respect your faith and I know the history and folklore of you faith but I don’t throw it up into your face for fodder, My heavenly Father would not be too please with me if I did but it seems you are indiffernt to what the Lord think’s about how you treat your fellowman!
Which is by the way is a commandment from the Lord to Love One to Another
Good Day!
Your posts are gibberish. I can't make out what position you are taking about the accusation that you launched at me and the unnamed freeper Christians that you falsely accused.
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