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To: neverdem
Now, I may not be an Ivy League professor or even a lowly graduate, but it seems to me that bloating government and overloading already burdened bureaucracies would totally crash them. As in: they're over. Kaput. No existen más.

If the demands on the state are so great that they force a breakdown of the existing bureaucracies, basically bankrupting the government, how in blazes is it then possible to further increase the size of government to provide everyone the same pay every year? It isn't.

the problem the author is having here is in looking at this as a socialist/communist does. They aren't just seeking to increase dependents so that more dependents can be added. They are seeking to overload the system so the entire government collapses...and then they will blame capitalism for the collapse they brought about and then will install their own system without the hindrance of capitalism and the constitution. The author isn't seeing the extent of the destruction sought be the cloward and piven agents.

People argue it won't work...well, it's been working, just look at the level of dependence coupled with the unfunded liabilities the US has now all tied to people's retirements. And then look at the riots in Greece. It can happen here...it likely will happen here.

How can you blame people for getting angry when they've paid into SS their whole lives and then won't be able to get anything out because the Ponzi scheme is failing, but they had counted on that money for their old age?

Where the Cloward and Piven agents are wrong, I believe, is that they will be the ones to pick up the pieces after they've destroyed the US. They apparently think that they will be in position to slip into the power vacuum and everyone will recognize them as a legitimate authority. I don't think it'll be so...they misjudge human nature and the craving for freedom in the face of the tyranny they seek to impose.

So the end will be, I think they will be successful in destroying the US, but they will fail in their attempt to take power. The result will be ugly.

15 posted on 07/03/2010 1:40:40 AM PDT by highlander_UW (The left proclaimed Obama as a Lightworker, but his work habit proclaims him to be a light worker)
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To: highlander_UW

Well said, I agree with much of what you write. I don’t believe that the author is too far off the mark here.

Wouldn’t you agree that we are seeing Cloward-Pliven in action right now in this county? It seems as if our current government doesn’t mind working overtime at the moment destroying everything in the country that we need in order to support ourselves and remain an independent people.

I further agree with the author in that the one thing which Cloward and Pliven never counted on when they developed their theory was me and other citizens of like mind. I’m well armed, well trained (USMC), and have a disposition to use pillagers harshly. This would include thieving politicians as well.

If I have to live in a new “state” that consists of only my own small farm, I will live freely in it. Come and take it.


25 posted on 07/03/2010 4:02:24 AM PDT by Rearden (Deo Vindice)
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To: highlander_UW
I believe, is that they will be the ones to pick up the pieces after they've destroyed the US.

Two words. Martial Law. That is the key to who winds up in charge, and they will have blue helmet help, count on it.

48 posted on 07/03/2010 8:57:06 AM PDT by itsahoot
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To: highlander_UW
So the end will be, I think they will be successful in destroying the US, but they will fail in their attempt to take power. The result will be ugly.

They will be shot down in the streets or hanging on the end of ropes!

51 posted on 07/03/2010 11:42:11 AM PDT by painter (No wonder democrats don't mind taxes.THEY DON'T PAY THEM !)
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To: highlander_UW

Just in time for a Julius Caesar perhaps with the support of the armies.....a Julius Caesar with satanically amplified intelligence and charisma...

It will be very hard for even the saints not to be deceived by him...and as for the rest of the world, will they wonder after him?


62 posted on 07/03/2010 1:28:56 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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