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1 posted on 07/03/2010 12:34:51 AM PDT by neverdem
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The Cloward-Piven Strategy will fail because WTSHTF The American People will shrug off the fleas.


2 posted on 07/03/2010 12:38:40 AM PDT by downwdims (It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority)
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To: neverdem
Now, I may not be an Ivy League professor or even a lowly graduate, but it seems to me that bloating government and overloading already burdened bureaucracies would totally crash them. As in: they're over. Kaput. No existen más.

That is Cloward-Piven Theory. The author needs to research his subject before writing about it.

5 posted on 07/03/2010 12:47:10 AM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: neverdem

i don’t believe there is a timeline for C/P this could go forever or until the blamesters are booted in Nov


6 posted on 07/03/2010 12:53:02 AM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT (Free Nobel Peace Prize with oil change =^..^=)
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To: neverdem

bflr


10 posted on 07/03/2010 1:06:58 AM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: neverdem
>"Then, Cloward and Piven would have us believe, a new, bigger government/bureaucracy/candy store of others' labors will arise to make sure everything is fair for everyone forever. "

The new candy store is funded by MASS MURDER. At least it has been in every other commie regime, including Adolph's!

"You're not going to be able to eat what you want, or as much of it."~B. Wacky Insane~0 on the campain trail.

Mass murder through starvation......Hello..... anybody listening....

14 posted on 07/03/2010 1:35:39 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I am against you, O you most proud, said the Lord God of hosts.)
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To: neverdem
Now, I may not be an Ivy League professor or even a lowly graduate, but it seems to me that bloating government and overloading already burdened bureaucracies would totally crash them. As in: they're over. Kaput. No existen más.

If the demands on the state are so great that they force a breakdown of the existing bureaucracies, basically bankrupting the government, how in blazes is it then possible to further increase the size of government to provide everyone the same pay every year? It isn't.

the problem the author is having here is in looking at this as a socialist/communist does. They aren't just seeking to increase dependents so that more dependents can be added. They are seeking to overload the system so the entire government collapses...and then they will blame capitalism for the collapse they brought about and then will install their own system without the hindrance of capitalism and the constitution. The author isn't seeing the extent of the destruction sought be the cloward and piven agents.

People argue it won't work...well, it's been working, just look at the level of dependence coupled with the unfunded liabilities the US has now all tied to people's retirements. And then look at the riots in Greece. It can happen here...it likely will happen here.

How can you blame people for getting angry when they've paid into SS their whole lives and then won't be able to get anything out because the Ponzi scheme is failing, but they had counted on that money for their old age?

Where the Cloward and Piven agents are wrong, I believe, is that they will be the ones to pick up the pieces after they've destroyed the US. They apparently think that they will be in position to slip into the power vacuum and everyone will recognize them as a legitimate authority. I don't think it'll be so...they misjudge human nature and the craving for freedom in the face of the tyranny they seek to impose.

So the end will be, I think they will be successful in destroying the US, but they will fail in their attempt to take power. The result will be ugly.

15 posted on 07/03/2010 1:40:40 AM PDT by highlander_UW (The left proclaimed Obama as a Lightworker, but his work habit proclaims him to be a light worker)
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To: neverdem

The left and some members of the right are suffering from the same delusion. Communists in every country think the same way. Not all people in all cultures do. We have all heard the expression “American exceptionalism”, but has anyone actually thought about what that means?

Our exceptionalism doesn’t refer to the fact that we do everything better than just about everybody- although that is true. It is about the kind of “stock” we are. We aren’t a group descended from nobles OR peasants; we have never been raised to bow or bend a knee. When the left refers to the majority of us as “cowboys” or “rednecks” they do so without realizing the compliment they pay us. Our heroes and forefathers were rebels, frontiersmen, explorers and, yes, cowboys. Getting up and getting going are a character trait. The idea of one guy inventing a lightbulb in his basement or the microchip in his garage are “business as usual” in THIS country.

We are what we are, and that was lazy until recently. Cloward, Piven, Marx, Obama and all the rest of the disfunctional left can ONLY ultimately fail here. Americans will NOT be told that they “can’t” do this, or say that, or go there...not for long.

This I heartily believe.


16 posted on 07/03/2010 2:10:17 AM PDT by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: neverdem

As long as Americans are armed this will not happen - even though I can imagine someone trying it if they have the armed forces on their side - unlikely I would think!

Mel


17 posted on 07/03/2010 2:11:31 AM PDT by melsec
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To: neverdem

It is already happening. My small County has about a $135 million budget. The portion that actually goes to basic services like the sheriff, District Attorney, Libraries and internal government is only about $22 million, plus mandates of about $11 million = about $33 million. About $10 million goes to the Road Dept. The rest goes to welfare, CPS, child support, in home support for the aged, public health and mental health services.

This year, we had to cut most library services, the museum, a vital fire station, and sheriff’s office coverage in outlying areas. Year after next our road budget will be half what it is now because the Secure Schools and Communities Act money will lapse.

The point is that our government budget is being consumed by entitlements and services to basically the same bad actors while we can no longer afford basic services to the general public. Ther is something definitely wrong!


20 posted on 07/03/2010 3:08:00 AM PDT by marsh2
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“Now that the government is broke and the productive sector is broke and/or gone, who’s going to finance this?”

That’s my question; as I’ve said, The U.S. supported the Soviet Union since 1917. Its socialist system couldn’t stay afloat n its own.

Now that they’re instituiting the same unworkable system here, where is the money going to come from this time?


30 posted on 07/03/2010 4:58:02 AM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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Pain hunger and fear makes an OBEDIENT people,and Obama&Co. know it.


31 posted on 07/03/2010 5:14:59 AM PDT by Vaduz
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'The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money'

- Attributed to Margaret Thatcher
33 posted on 07/03/2010 5:36:22 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy inas whatever room he walks into.)
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To: neverdem

The secret to the Cloward-Piven Strategy

34 posted on 07/03/2010 5:50:19 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: neverdem
I 'm not sure the author's predictions about CLoward-Piven are accurate. However, Yuri Bezmenov scares the hell out of me:

The next stage is destabilization. This time [the] subverter does not care about your ideas and the patterns of your consumption; whether you eat junk food and get fat and flabby doesn’t matter any more. This time—and it takes only from two to five years to destabilize a nation—what matters [are] essentials: economy, foreign relations, [and] defense systems. And you can see it quite clearly that in some areas, in such sensitive areas as defense and [the] economy, the influence of Marxist-Leninist ideas in [the] United States is absolutely fantastic. I could never believe it fourteen years ago when I landed in this part of the world that the process [would have gone] that fast.

The next stage, of course, is crisis. It may take only up to six weeks to bring a country to the verge of crisis. You can see it in Central America now.

And, after crisis, with a violent change of power, structure, and economy, you have [the so-called] period of normalization. It may last indefinitely. Normalization is a cynical expression borrowed from Soviet propaganda. When the Soviet tanks moved into Czechoslovakia in ‘68, Comrade Brezhnev said, ‘Now the situation in brotherly Czechoslovakia is normalized.’

This is what will happen in [the] United States if you allow all these schmucks to bring the country to crisis, to promise people all kind[s] of goodies and the paradise on earth, to destabilize your economy, to eliminate the principle of free market competition, and to put [a] Big Brother government in Washington, D.C. with benevolent dictators like Walter Mondale, who will promise lots of thing[s], never mind whether the promises are fulfillable or not. He will go to Moscow to kiss the bottoms of [a] new generation of Soviet assassins, never mind... he will create false illusions that the situation is under control. [The] situation is not under control. [The] situation is disgustingly out of control.

Most of the American politicians, media, and educational system trains another generation of people who think they are living at the peacetime. False. [The] United States is in a state of war: undeclared, total war against the basic principles and foundations of this system. And the initiator of this war is not Comrade Andropov, of course. It's the system. However ridiculous it may sound, [it is] the world Communist system (or the world Communist conspiracy). Whether I scare some people or not, I don't give a hoot. If you are not scared by now, nothing can scare you.

But you don’t have to be paranoid about it. What actually happens now [is] that unlike [me], you have literally several years to live on unless [the] United States [wakes] up. The time bomb is ticking: with every second [he snaps his fingers], the disaster is coming closer and closer. Unlike [me], you will have nowhere to defect to. Unless you want to live in Antarctica with penguins. This is it. This is the last country of freedom and possibility.

39 posted on 07/03/2010 6:41:35 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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The obvious answer to the collapse of government is to privatize all services, putting all the contracts out for bid. It would get rid of the government unions and eliminate the union contracts.


66 posted on 07/03/2010 2:09:58 PM PDT by Eva (Aand)
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bkmk


68 posted on 07/03/2010 4:00:18 PM PDT by riri
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To: Noumenon

“In case you missed it” Ping.


73 posted on 07/04/2010 6:07:06 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: neverdem
Then, seeing that those goodies can no longer be had, they probably turn like a spider monkey on their masters, who promised them these things would keep on coming.

Yes, it's going to be interesting to see what happens when the government monkey pellet machine stops dispensing pellets to all those monkeys. Not going to be pleasant or pretty, is it?

75 posted on 07/04/2010 7:23:16 AM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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What will likely happen instead is a brief state of chaos wherein the dependent drones of the government trudge zombie-like to collect their "benefits" and "entitlements." Then, seeing that those goodies can no longer be had, they probably turn like a spider monkey on their masters, who promised them these things would keep on coming. Then, desperate, some of these folks might move out into the suburbs and rural areas to pillage and plunder for those things they "need." After a few nasty encounters with the well-armed populace, this activity will shortly be curtailed, and some semblance of order will be restored in some areas.

Exactly! During this period of chaos Liberalism/Socialism in the United States will be thoroughly eliminated, and a far smaller Constitutionally based government restored.

76 posted on 07/04/2010 7:36:30 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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bump


85 posted on 07/08/2010 5:00:53 AM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping List-freepmail me to be included or removed. <{{{><)
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