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Judge rules against first-degree Mehserle verdict {BART Shooting}
Oakland Tribune ^ | 6/30/10 | Paul T. Rosynsky

Posted on 06/30/2010 2:29:52 PM PDT by SmithL

LOS ANGELES - Johannes Mehserle will not be convicted of first-degree murder, a judge declared today, but jurors deciding the 28-year-old's fate will be allowed to consider every other crime, including second-degree murder, associated with a homicide.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Robert Perry said evidence in the case proves that the former BART police officer did not plan to kill Oscar Grant III when he shot the 22-year-old Hayward man in the back on Oakland's Fruitvale BART station platform.

Perry said, however, that there is enough evidence to allow the jury to consider whether the killing was a second-degree murder, voluntary manslaughter or involuntary manslaughter. The jury also can decide that Mehserle did not commit a crime at all and acquit him.

In making his decision, Perry said that even with a second-degree murder conviction, Mehserle would face a severe penalty of 40 years to life in prison because the Alameda County District Attorney's Office also charged the former officer with a gun enhancement.

That enhancement - purposely firing a gun during the commission of a murder - adds 25 years to the sentence of 15 years to life that accompanies a second-degree murder conviction. A first-degree murder conviction carries a sentence of 50 years to life.

Perry's ruling rejected a defense gamble to have the jury decide only between second-degree murder and acquittal. The gamble, legal experts have said, was made by the defense in hopes of preventing a jury from finding a way to punish Mehserle for the crime in a less severe manner.

Perry said Deputy District Attorney David Stein presented enough evidence over the past month to justify having the jury consider what is known as the lesser included crimes of murder.

In general, the jury would have to find that Mehserle took the following actions to reach the following crimes:

n second-degree murder: Mehserle knew the actions he was taking could cause a death but took those actions regardless;

n voluntary manslaughter: Mehserle acted in the heat of passion or believed his life was in danger but used too much force in defending himself;

n involuntary manslaughter: Mehserle's actions were grossly negligent and caused a death, or the death was caused while and because Mehserle was committing another crime.

Closing arguments in the case will be made Thursday, and it is expected the jury will begin deliberations late Thursday or Friday.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: bart; california; mehserle; oakland; oscargrant
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1 posted on 06/30/2010 2:29:57 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

It will be interesting to see the effect of the verdict on the natives.


2 posted on 06/30/2010 2:34:10 PM PDT by umgud (Obama is a failed experiment.)
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To: SmithL

Is this the cop who shot the handcuffed man? And then the other cops tried to confiscate all cell phone videos?

If not, what’s the story here and why are they bracing for riots?


3 posted on 06/30/2010 2:47:11 PM PDT by mockingbyrd (Remember in November.)
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To: SmithL

Adding a ‘using a gun enhancement’ against a police officer who is supposed to carry a gun is beyond ludicrous.


4 posted on 06/30/2010 2:53:32 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: SmithL

For those of you who believe that ‘mass transit’ is the answer to transportation in any large city- keep in mind that the blacks in this story were causing a ruckus & fighting with passengers on the BART train in the first place.
It was New Year’s Eve & they have passengers trapped in a moving rail car & they regularly terrorize passengers.

The entire area of Oalland, Vallejo & Richmond is a cesspool.


5 posted on 06/30/2010 2:56:29 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: SmithL

The judge is clearly an idiot. Mehserle is obviously guilty of 1st degree murder. He put away his taser, drew his firearm, aimed and fired.

Case closed.


6 posted on 06/30/2010 2:57:58 PM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: SmithL

The local medias are inciting riots for the last few days imho.


7 posted on 06/30/2010 3:00:05 PM PDT by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: SmithL

This is all political, i.e., intended to keep people from rioting. The officer has been overcharged, as there is no evidence he intended to kill anybody. Once again, governments are pandering to the lynchmob mentality.


8 posted on 06/30/2010 3:17:50 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Democrats = authoritarian socialists)
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To: Filo
I saw a different video. He mistakenly pulled out his firearm rather than a taser. Thats why when we get certified to use a Taser, not only is it a diffrent color, it is on the opposite side of our belt.

On a legal note, for first degree murder, he must have purposefully, knowingly, negligently, or recklessly committed premeditated murder.

I saw an illegal act (actus reus), but I did not see mens rea or unlawful intent in premeditation.

He will get involuntary manslaughter or negligent homicide. Not capital murder, not Murder in the First, Not Murder in the Second, Not Manslaughter.

/legal rant.

9 posted on 06/30/2010 3:19:11 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists".)
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To: DCBryan1

Dead on right..........but he may even walk entirely.


10 posted on 06/30/2010 3:31:23 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: SmithL
That enhancement - purposely firing a gun during the commission of a murder - adds 25 years to the sentence of 15 years to life that accompanies a second-degree murder conviction. A first-degree murder conviction carries a sentence of 50 years to life.

The jury probably doesn't know any of this.

11 posted on 06/30/2010 3:32:30 PM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: RightOnline
The prosecution has to prove every element of it's case: 1) That there was a crime committed, 2) and illegal intent (mens rea) to do so, 3) the person on trial was not justified or permissible in doing 1 or 2, and 4) that it is the person that did it.

There are no clear circumstances before the crime that implicate the officer.

Any actions after the crime, do not appear to show that he meant to do the act, in fact, the actions and testimony of witnesses, confirm that he didn't mean to do the shooting.

He should walk...>LEGALLY, but should resign from any future law enforcement job.

Oh, and there will be a riot unless he is taken out back and lynched immediately after trial, because nothing will satisfy the racists marxists in the Bay Area.

12 posted on 06/30/2010 3:47:11 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists".)
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To: DCBryan1
I saw a different video.

Or you saw it through biased "cops can do no wrong" eyes.

He mistakenly pulled out his firearm rather than a taser.

After he put his taser away? Not bloodly likely.

On a legal note, for first degree murder, he must have purposefully, knowingly, negligently, or recklessly committed premeditated murder.

When someone that utterly stupid gets out of bed in the morning they are, in effect, premeditating doing negligent harm. You can't be that dumb and not do damage. Oakland would have been better served giving guns to a troup of chimps.

Meanwhile your case falls apart when you have the full story - he tucked his taser away before pulling his weapon and firing. That doesn't happen by accident.

I saw an illegal act (actus reus), but I did not see mens rea or unlawful intent in premeditation.

He will get involuntary manslaughter or negligent homicide. Not capital murder, not Murder in the First, Not Murder in the Second, Not Manslaughter.


You saw what you saw through biased eyes.

Meanwhile he will get off clean. Why? 'Cause he was a cop and cops can do anything they want.

That doesn't mean he doesn't deserve the death penalty, only that our f-ed up courts won't do what's right.
13 posted on 06/30/2010 3:55:20 PM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: Filo

I can tell that either school is out and your parents are not home yet, or you need to tell your doctor to increase your dosage.


14 posted on 06/30/2010 3:57:50 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists".)
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To: DCBryan1
Oh, and there will be a riot unless he is taken out back and lynched immediately after trial, because nothing will satisfy the racists marxists in the Bay Area.

I am neither racist nor marxist and I'm in the Bay Area but I think he should have been lynched on the platform right after he murdered an innocent civilian. Of course, being a cop, he wasn't even arrested.
15 posted on 06/30/2010 3:57:57 PM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: DCBryan1
I can tell that either school is out and your parents are not home yet, or you need to tell your doctor to increase your dosage.

Typical brainless boot-licker. No surprise there.
16 posted on 06/30/2010 3:59:36 PM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: Filo

With good reason. See post #5


17 posted on 06/30/2010 4:01:40 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: Filo

There’s a reason effective weapons aren’t allowed to be owned by citizens in CA...


18 posted on 06/30/2010 4:04:10 PM PDT by benewton (Life sucks, then you die)
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To: Filo
I'm in the Bay Area but I think he should have been lynched on the platform

I was wrong. I assumed an either/or supplication. You are both a child, AND you need to increase your dosage.

19 posted on 06/30/2010 4:06:51 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists".)
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To: DLfromthedesert
With good reason. See post #5

Not even close. The most telling fact is that none of the other cops (and there were many) even had their tazers out and here is this 'tard pulling a gun.

As far as I can tell the cops were just harassing the citizenry for their jollies which is fairly typical in Oakland anyway.

Detaining these folks was probably illegal to begin with. Shooting them was definitely out of line regardless of what went on before. This guy was pinned by two other cops and in cuffs and you’re calling shooting him in the back excusable?.


20 posted on 06/30/2010 6:09:44 PM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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