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To: arrogantsob
My “namesake” as you call it was family, and you haven't the first notion as to why he “went” republican. Expediency to join the criminal conspiracy that was the republican party of Lincoln post assassination was a strategic move. He later supported Hayes to finally remove federal troops from the South and rectify criminal theft of property. But I digress from addressing an ignorant attack from you, ignorance being something that can be cured as opposed to stupidity which breeds arrogance.

My family fought the Brits in the French and Indian War, the Revolution and in 1812. Every able bodied male in our family since 1798 has served in the Marine Corps (with the exception of 1861-65) and helped found this country. I can assure you they did not care one bit for Hamilton (please don't lump him with Madison and you left out Jefferson- wonder why?-forgetting the origin of the republican party or should I say the Democratic-Republican party). You're right that it would have been better if Lincoln had lived-reconstruction being the invention of the true nature of the republicans of that day— the “democrats” of today. He of course did not care one whit about slavery, speaking of feverish fantasy and manufactured sainthood of this sad ill man who suspended habeas corpus. He did care about his railroad pals and Western expansionism. A distinct advantage true Southerners have is the memory of what it was like to be under the thumb of totalitarian rule. And we do still feel sorry for Johnson (Andrew that is, who tried to mediate the “cleansing” of the South). Ours is not some concocted academic elitist rewrite of history- it is fact not written by the “victors”- we lived it. We lost the dream of the United States in the so-called “civil” war, and began the march of the oppressive federal control of all aspects of our lives. You are quite wrong- I have studied totalitarianism extensively, from national socialism and marxism/communism to the current fascism/statism/corporatism masquerading as social justice progressivism of democrats and republicans in lockstep with a “new world order”, false currency and the loss of our state and national sovereignty. We know who we are and where we cam from, and not all scholars are at Princeton despite your dislike of DiLorenzo. That knowledge is upsetting to the elitists of both our imbecile political parties and television idiots. There is a reason Lincoln's statue is in obambi's’s office and it has nothing to do with a false conservatism or being from the whore state of IL and a total incompetent puppet. You want to call all this babble—It's OK- the South will survive all of this—we've had considerable experience with tyranny and the need for secession and freedom- which was right then, and apparent now. “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security”. Thus ever to tyrants, then and now.

147 posted on 06/30/2010 11:33:34 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: John S Mosby

You should be very proud of family members who join a “criminal conspiracy”. Hayes election removed all restraints from the terrorist arm of the Democrat Party, the KKK, and the dregs of the RAT Rebellion went on a murder rampage to restore the party’s power. Of course, the deluded and foolish cheer that black spot on our national honor.

Who or what they fought for is irrelevant if it is wiped away by treachery as part of a TRUE criminal conspiracy circa 1861-5.

Naturally you have no regard for those who gave their whole life fighting for and strengthening this nation. Believing instead that the snake Jefferson was preferable to Hamilton and Washington shows that you have no real knowledge of the era 1790 to 1800 or of the ideals which motivated the best of that generation, the Federal Republican Party. Whereas Jefferson’s enemies, W and H, were statesmen of the highest nature and the latter wrote the majority of the greatest political philosophy since Aristotle Jefferson’s political theories were absurd at best and his economic theories even more so. He didn’t even have the guts to directly attack his opponents being a coward at heart and used others to do his dirty work.

Jefferson was definitely one of the greatest manipulators of the stupid and gullible and his party, the Democrat, remains true to his form. It began with lies and has never turned from the tactics of raising false issues and using class warfare to divide this nation. The more one learns about J the less one (if there is any integrity in them) thinks of him. He is the greatest hypocrite this nation has ever elevated to the presidency and easily the most overrated president we ever had.

Lincoln did little that Jefferson Davis did not do or the perpetrators of the RAT Rebellion would not do.

As one who was born and raised in the South I am quite familiar with the absurdities some there still believe about the RAT Rebellion and the evil it unleashed on the region. The Slaveocracy cared NOTHING about this nation or their fellow southerners. It cared about ONE THING, slavery and its perpetration, and its blather about “rights” was nothing but rhetoric. It was hooked on a economic system hundreds of years out of date one which did not include the vast majority of the whites of the region who were DRAFTED to defend it. Only because of the tremendous ignorance of the lower classes were the Slavers able to use their false concept of what the Union was and what the Constitution meant. Jefferson is to be thanked for that.

Naturally the railroads and Western expansion were concerns of everyone including Southerners, but they did not have the ability to create an extensive RR system because those who controlled the South were not men with modern views or understanding of historical change which this nation represented.

Obama has nothing to do with Lincoln and your allegation wrt Lincoln’s statue has less to do with any ideas of his than it does with the fact that he freed the slaves.

Your use of concepts such as totalitarianism does not change your statements from crap to gold and virtually every allegation is entirely false. And those who actually do have extensive knowledge of our history can easily see that your hysterical nonsense is only that not to be taken seriously by those with a regard for the truth.

Even more laughable is your use of “elitism” while defending people who were complete elitists such as the aristocrat, Jefferson. No wonder you swallow the bilge of crackpots such as DiLorenzo and use it to fuel your insane hatred of one of our greatest, if not the greatest, president.

BTW when Abe was elected the federal government was TINY certainly nothing capable of “tyranny” of any type nor of any threat to the South. Only because of the Slaver attempt to destroy the Union did it grow to defend it.


170 posted on 07/06/2010 12:24:21 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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