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CONTAINING YOURSELF ... Mark Steyn
Steyn Online ^ | 30 June 2010 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 06/30/2010 5:50:52 AM PDT by Rummyfan

The other day, noting Bret Stephens’ analysis in Commentary as to why Iran cannot be contained, Jonah Goldberg made a very shrewd throwaway aside: “Arguments like this tend to get ignored not because they aren’t persuasive, but because they are,” he said. “The political and psychological costs of accepting the premise are too high. So, denial inevitably triumphs.”

And thus our Iran “policy”: There will be no US military strike. There will be no international sanctions regime. And so the mullahs will go nuclear, because letting them go nuclear requires least of us – and there will always be scholars and experts ready to justify our inertia as farsighted realpolitik. Thus, the rehabilitation of “containment”: That we can do. Iran, says Zbigniew Brzezinski, “may be dangerous, assertive and duplicitous, but there is nothing in their history to suggest they are suicidal.”

Dr Brzezinski is a man who has been reliably wrong about everything that matters for decades and whose decision to route American support for the Afghan resistance through the malign double-act of Saudi Arabia’s Prince Turki and Pakistan’s ISI has had consequences we live with to this day. He is the master of unrealpolitik, and so naturally his is now the new conventional wisdom: Iran is not “suicidal”. Therefore, it can be contained.

Even a non-suicidal Iran is presumably intending to derive some benefit from its nuclear status. Entirely rational leverage would include: Controlling the supply of Gulf oil, setting the price, and determining the customers; getting vulnerable emirates such as Kuwait and Qatar to close US military bases; and turning American allies in Europe into de facto members of the non-aligned movement. Whatever deterrent effect it might have on first use or proliferation, there is no reason to believe any “containment” strategy would prevent Iran accomplishing its broader strategic goals. Besides, as Bret Stephens points out, Soviet containment was introduced a couple of years after we’d nuked Japan. Iranian “containment” would follow years of inaction, in which the ayatollahs have been allowed to nuclearize in full view of the world and with the acquiescence of many American allies. Unlike 60 years ago, there is a basic credibility issue: Despite President Obama’s line that Iran is “isolated”, it’s just been elected to the UN Commission on the Status of Women, and its president in the last year alone has been received in China, Venezuela, Turkey, Denmark, Brazil, Bolivia, Afghanistan, Senegal, The Gambia and various other places most of which are at least nominally American allies. If he were to be any more “isolated”, Ahmadinejad might get the occasional night at home to wash his hair. So “containment” seems unlikely to impede any non-suicidal moves by Iran.

But let’s flip Dr Brzezinski’s point around: An American might conclude that Iran isn’t suicidal. But can the Iranians make the same confident claim about America? After all, we’ve just let them go nuclear – not under cover of darkness, as Pakistan did, but in slow motion and in open contempt of the US and its European negotiators. Why would you do that? Iran doesn’t observe even the minimal courtesies of mutually hostile states: It seizes foreign embassies at home, and blows them up on the other side of the world; it kidnaps the sailors of permanent members of the UN Security Council in international waters; it seeds terrorist proxies in Gaza and Lebanon, and backs terrorist attacks all over the world. And it pays no price for any of this. If you can’t rouse yourself to prevent a rogue state with a thirty-year consistent pattern of behavior getting nukes, what else won’t you rouse yourself for?

On September 10th 2001, America was the preeminent nuclear power in the world. We forget now that the following morning’s attack was aimed not only at the symbols of US military and financial power but also at the heart of government itself. A combination of the vagaries of scheduling and the bravery of Flight 93’s passengers saved us, on a day of horror, from the additional burden of a Robert C Byrd presidency or some such. Osama bin Laden set out to decapitate his enemy - and Mullah Omar, al-Qaeda’s patron in Afghanistan, cheerfully signed off on it. Presumably, he’s not suicidal, either. Yet he made a calculation about the American response that concluded the attack would be worth it.

Remember how quickly the objections to retaliating against Afghanistan began? Suppose there was a “nuclear transfer” to Sudan or Hamas, and Iran was most likely responsible: Do you think an Obamafied Washington would take action? Or would they express “grave concern” and go to the UN to get a resolution? I think we know the answer.

Now let’s suppose one of those nuclear transfers detonates somewhere or other and kills tens of thousands of people, but the provenance isn’t 100 per cent clear: Bombing raids on Tehran? Or back to the Security Council? You might not be so sure of the answer, but I’ll bet, after the last few years, Iran is.

How about the big one? The ayatollahs nuke Tel Aviv and puts Israel out of business. What’s the US going to do? Flatten Iran? Or hit a couple of cities and leave it at that? Iran believes we are a hollow superpower. It concluded from our behavior that it could go nuclear with impunity. And, whatever the unrealpolitik crowd tells itself, it has now concluded it can be nuclear with impunity. In a supposedly unipolar world, the planet’s wealthiest states, from Norway to New Zealand, can project no meaningful force, while moribund basket cases nuke up.

That sounds like a transitional phase, don’t you think?


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1 posted on 06/30/2010 5:50:53 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Rummyfan
Do you think an Obamafied Washington would take action?

This administration wouldn't do a damned thing!

2 posted on 06/30/2010 5:56:06 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Rummyfan
Despite President Obama’s line that Iran is “isolated”, it’s just been elected to the UN Commission on the Status of Women ...

If life is a novel, I'm starting to think the author is on drugs. Kwim?

3 posted on 06/30/2010 5:58:21 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Get to the beach, or at least in the pool! Wearing your bathing suit, please.)
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If life is a novel, I'm starting to think the author is on drugs. Kwim?

I must admit, I don't understand either sentence of your post. Restate it? Pliz?

4 posted on 06/30/2010 6:04:37 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (" 'Bush did it' is not a foreign policy." -- Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: Rummyfan
Some advice to “O”-who obviously NEEDS it...

As (I think) Talleyrand said to Napoleon I:

“Sir, you can do everything with a sword but sit on it”

5 posted on 06/30/2010 6:04:44 AM PDT by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think." Adolph Hitler)
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To: Rummyfan
Iran doesn’t observe even the minimal courtesies of mutually hostile states: It seizes foreign embassies at home, and blows them up on the other side of the world; it kidnaps the sailors of permanent members of the UN Security Council in international waters; it seeds terrorist proxies in Gaza and Lebanon, and backs terrorist attacks all over the world. And it pays no price for any of this. If you can’t rouse yourself to prevent a rogue state with a thirty-year consistent pattern of behavior getting nukes, what else won’t you rouse yourself for?

Jeez. It's not like this is really news to me, but when Steyn lays it out like that, it's sort of like being punched in the face 4 or 5 times. It's kind of stunning.

6 posted on 06/30/2010 6:04:51 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Rummyfan

There is a natural tendency in govt against pre-emption. If you strike first you look like the bully and aggressor. There will always be those who say you acted without just cause, and murdered millions for nothing. Preemption causes an immediate S**tstorm that you have to deal with NOW and for the foreseeable future. That is why govt will not act until they receive the first strike. Then you are the injured party and have a free hand to destroy the attacker. The country bands together, you are the hero, your poll numbers go through the roof. All it costs is the preventable death of a few hundred thousand people.


7 posted on 06/30/2010 6:35:08 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: Rummyfan
"Arguments like this tend to get ignored not because they aren’t persuasive, but because they are. The political and psychological costs of accepting the premise are too high. So, denial inevitably triumphs." -Jonah Goldberg (quoted by Mark Steyn)

This has become a widespread condition over the last two decades. It took decades for the "Greatest Generation" to face up to the fact that the "impartial" mainstream media was lying through its teeth. It has taken a generation for most Republicans to realize that the Socialist-dominated Democrat Party seeks nothing less than to overthrow the rule of law and the free enterprise system. And most Americans still refuse to face the fact that an enemy agent with no documented background has captured our flag and now sits in the White House.

When stark reality becomes too frightening to face, most people retreat into denial. This is why battles are won by a few who possess unclouded vision and great courage. Those few will be the Regime's first targets.

8 posted on 06/30/2010 6:39:41 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Always A Marine

bump


9 posted on 06/30/2010 7:02:08 AM PDT by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: JLS

Steyn Ping!


10 posted on 06/30/2010 7:08:48 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Albion Wilde

The fact that Iran is on the UN Commission on the Status of Women is so insane that a reasonable novelist - even Anoreth - wouldn’t consider it. That’s the point of my first sentence.

The second is “know what I mean?” which I guess you didn’t. I’ve had breakfast now, so I hope I’m making a little more sense.


11 posted on 06/30/2010 7:17:02 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Get to the beach, or at least in the pool! Wearing your bathing suit, please.)
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To: Tax-chick

Thank you!! I had taken “the author” in your first sentence to mean the author of the post, Steyn, and nothing else computed. KNIM? (That’s a good one, btw!)


12 posted on 06/30/2010 7:26:47 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (" 'Bush did it' is not a foreign policy." -- Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: Albion Wilde

Reading this article, I kept thinking, “This can’t be happening,” but it is. Blargh.


13 posted on 06/30/2010 7:30:36 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Get to the beach, or at least in the pool! Wearing your bathing suit, please.)
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To: Tax-chick

How I wish Steyn were a natural-born citizen.


14 posted on 06/30/2010 7:34:37 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (" 'Bush did it' is not a foreign policy." -- Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: Albion Wilde

The really great minds don’t seem to run for office. Maybe because they have a hard time tolerating fools. I think Thomas Sowell said that was why he refused to run for office ... he didn’t have the patience for the idiots.


15 posted on 06/30/2010 7:37:24 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Get to the beach, or at least in the pool! Wearing your bathing suit, please.)
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To: Tax-chick
The really great minds don’t seem to run for office. Maybe because they have a hard time tolerating fools. I think Thomas Sowell said that was why he refused to run for office ... he didn’t have the patience for the idiots.

Still, in the normal order of things, a black intellectual of his magnitude would have been asked to be an advisor to the first black president. But that assumes that our first black president actually were an American, or one without an anti-American agenda. Sigh.

16 posted on 06/30/2010 7:41:57 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (" 'Bush did it' is not a foreign policy." -- Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: Rummyfan
How about the big one? The ayatollahs nuke Tel Aviv and puts Israel out of business. What’s the US going to do?

Of course it won't happen as long as we have a foreigner in the whitehouse, but what the U.S. should do is state unequivably that if Tel Aviv, or anywhere else in Israel is nuked, we won't investigate the matter at all. The first thing we do is nuke Tehran, Mecca, and Medina. Then we'll go looking for the culprits.

Might make them think twice.

17 posted on 06/30/2010 7:55:13 AM PDT by zeugma (Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam)
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To: Rummyfan

Steyn Bump. Correct as always.


18 posted on 06/30/2010 8:01:40 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Rummyfan; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; JohnHuang2; ...

Steyn ping.

If you want on or off the Steyn pinglist please freepmail me.

Thanks for the ping Rummy Fan


19 posted on 06/30/2010 8:43:50 AM PDT by JLS (Democrats: People who won't even let you enjoy an unseasonably warm winter day.)
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To: Rummyfan; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; JohnHuang2; ...

Steyn ping.

If you want on or off the Steyn pinglist please freepmail me.

Thanks for the ping Rummy Fan


20 posted on 06/30/2010 8:43:50 AM PDT by JLS (Democrats: People who won't even let you enjoy an unseasonably warm winter day.)
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