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To: Mr Rogers
LOL, do you knwo how ignorant you sound? You claim the founders adopted birthright citizenship while stating that they didn't. War of 1812? I think it is you that does not appreciate the core context of it. I challenge you to show me ONE law or congressional act that distinguished children born to aliens on US soil and those that weren't. Show me the law wherein it says that children of aliens born in the US are citizens, let alone natural born ones.

Federalist Papers...you know those letters printed so the American people would understand the system of government that was drafted and where it was derived from? Federalist #20, 21, 22; Defects of a Confederate Republic...a brief summary: The Netherlands was the best form of a Republic in place at the time which the founders looked to for guidance but it had many defects as the Confederate States were experienceing personally. Therefore, the founders made it better by forming a Federal Republic instead of the weak confederate one the Netherlands & current Confederate States were under.

Geez, if you don't even know what kind of government system we have, where the founders looked to for guidance & why this form of government was chosen, then how can you even claim to have the knowledge by which the laws were made. Only an ignorant arse would try to make such a baseless claim. Have you looked in the mirror lately?

244 posted on 06/29/2010 11:13:34 AM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: patlin

Rant on, and prove my point - you are a nut.

There were disagreements among the Founders about what citizenship meant and how it applied. Some said location (Madison), others parentage (the guy birthers always bring up) - and location eventually won out.

One of the causes of the War of 1812 was the British insistence that parentage gave citizenship, and the USA’s rejection of that idea. They claimed a British citizen was always a British citizen - sound familiar, your and your friends still try to say that is true about Obama - but the British LOST!

“Show me the law wherein it says that children of aliens born in the US are citizens, let alone natural born ones.”

Read the 14th Amendment. ‘Subject to the jurisdiction’ did not then and has never meant “already a citizen”. Sorry. You are wrong. By long legal precedence, it was accepted that the phrase included aliens here legally, unless they were here in the service of a foreign government.

We do not and have never looked to the Netherlands for our legal precedence and common law meanings. Again, you are wrong.

But don’t believe me. Go to court with your theories, and you will be shot down just like the 5-6 dozen birthers who have brought cases...because you are stupid.


245 posted on 06/29/2010 12:00:14 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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