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"We must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."

Ben Franklin would be disappointed, IMHO.

1 posted on 06/16/2010 6:54:56 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

My membership is once again in question... they are just politicians, like the DC maggots.

Am I wrong?


2 posted on 06/16/2010 7:02:28 PM PDT by elpinta (Jer. 10:23)
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To: neverdem

They played Glenn Beck as a fool a few weeks back:

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/05/16/glenn-beck-tells-nra-members-fight-the-marxists-at-the-polls/print/

Glenn Beck Tells NRA Members: Fight the ‘Marxists’ at the Polls

CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Glenn Beck shed his jacket, rolled up his shirt sleeves, mopped his face with a towel and got down to business. “Why won’t somebody tell us the truth?” he asked the crowd of 10,000 gathered for the National Rifle Association’s annual meeting on Saturday night. “We’re American,” he said. “We can handle the truth. We demand the truth and we can understand the truth.”

And then – aided by his chalkboard and a dark sense of humor – the conservative Fox News Channel host gave his “touch of the truth.” It wasn’t pretty.

“This country will never fail by an outside force,” he said. “This country will only be destroyed if we destroy ourselves.” According to Beck, we’re on that path. Yet with every prediction came a Beck-style solution. His cheering fans at the Time Warner Cable Arena took hope from that.

For a preview of America’s future, look to Europe’s current financial and social problems, he said. “Any of your friends that say it can’t happen here, they’re wrong.”

“The Titanic is going down,” Beck said. But as long as we save the passengers, the ship can sink. “You telling me we can’t build a better ship?” he said. “We have a great plan; it’s called the Constitution.”

Churches are emptying out because they “don’t stand for anything anymore,” he said. “God understands individual rights; he’s the creator of them.”

Beck defended one particular right to the receptive audience. “Let’s talk about a well-regulated militia and why you might need one because the government’s not doing its job,” he said.

Though he said his warnings are not about parties but the size of government, Beck — like other speakers at the night’s “Celebration of American Values Freedom Experience” — placed blame for his dystopian American vision on the Obama administration and urged the audience to take the fight to the polls (and attend Beck’s Aug. 28 “Restoring Honor” rally at the Lincoln Memorial).

“These are not Democrats” he said. “They are revolutionary Marxists.”

“I think he’s great,” said Sharon Browder of Port Orchard, Wash. “He’s inspiring, he’s focused. We love him. We’re proud of him. We need him.”

Former U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who preceded Beck onstage, dismissed Elena Kagan, President Obama’s Supreme Court nominee, as not worthy for consideration because of Harvard Law School’s policy barring military recruiters while she was dean. “You don’t need hearings,” he said.

In defense of gun ownership, he said, “Government has no business trying to stop you as long as you are a legal and law-abiding citizen,” earning a standing ovations and shouts of “Newt” in the style of rock stars who have filled this arena on other nights. (NRA members who stayed long enough did get to hear the Charlie Daniels Band.)

On Saturday night, Gingrich previewed themes in his new book “To Save America: Stopping Obama’s Secular-Socialist Machine.” Though its official release date is Monday, signings were scheduled during the meeting here that winds to a close on Sunday with a prayer breakfast and an appearance by rocker and gun enthusiast Ted Nugent.

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3 posted on 06/16/2010 7:03:45 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (Pander to me for a change!!)
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To: neverdem

STATEMENT FROM THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION ON H.R. 5175, THE DISCLOSE ACT

Tuesday, June 15, 2010

The National Rifle Association believes that any restrictions on the political speech of Americans are unconstitutional.

In the past, through the courts and in Congress, the NRA has opposed any effort to restrict the rights of its four million members to speak and have their voices heard on behalf of gun owners nationwide.

The NRA’s opposition to restrictions on political speech includes its May 26, 2010 letter to Members of Congress expressing strong concerns about H.R. 5175, the DISCLOSE Act. As it stood at the time of that letter, the measure would have undermined or obliterated virtually all of the NRA’s right to free political speech and, therefore, jeopardized the Second Amendment rights of every law-abiding American.

The most potent defense of the Second Amendment requires the most adamant exercise of the First Amendment. The NRA stands absolutely obligated to its members to ensure maximum access to the First Amendment, in order to protect and preserve the freedom of the Second Amendment.

The NRA must preserve its ability to speak. It cannot risk a strategy that would deny its rights, for the Second Amendment cannot be defended without them.

Thus, the NRA’s first obligation must be to its members and to its most ardent defense of firearms freedom for America’s lawful gun owners.

On June 14, 2010, Democratic leadership in the U.S. House of Representatives pledged that H.R. 5175 would be amended to exempt groups like the NRA, that meet certain criteria, from its onerous restrictions on political speech. As a result, and as long as that remains the case, the NRA will not be involved in final consideration of the House bill.

The NRA cannot defend the Second Amendment from the attacks we face in the local, state, federal, international and judicial arenas without the ability to speak. We will not allow ourselves to be silenced while the national news media, politicians and others are allowed to attack us freely.

The NRA will continue to fight for its right to speak out in defense of the Second Amendment. Any efforts to silence the political speech of NRA members will, as has been the case in the past, be met with strong opposition.

-—nra-—

This has been posted several times over the last few days. It’s kind of like the Whitman/Poziner primary. Each has something that pisses us off.


4 posted on 06/16/2010 7:04:01 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 58)
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To: neverdem

Similar post from WSJ article—

“The NRA sells out to Democrats on the First Amendment”

Wall Street Journal (on-line) ^ | JUNE 16, 2010 | none listed

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2536199/posts


5 posted on 06/16/2010 7:05:19 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: neverdem

I’m a life member of the NRA. This article has popped up several times over the last few days. It’s driving me nuts!

I’ve be researching this thing ever since. The websites Democrat Underground and the Huffington Post both are bitching about it so you would think it’s a good thing. Now we have folks on Free Republic complaining about the stand the NRA has taken.

WTF? You can’t please all the people all the time. We should be pissed at Grover Norquist for those of you flipping his name out there.


9 posted on 06/16/2010 7:15:06 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 58)
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To: neverdem

Okay. I think I’ve got now.

GOA is pissed because the NRA, (big kid on the block), fought to get an exemption and now that they got it they haven’t “said” they would continue to fight for it for anyone else.

How silly is that. There is security in numbers and the more voices out there singing in the same choir will get the best effect.

The ink isn’t even dry yet.


14 posted on 06/16/2010 7:28:15 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 58)
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To: neverdem

There goes our moral highground when talking to left wing groups.

They will point to this for the next 100 years screaming hypocrites.


15 posted on 06/16/2010 7:30:37 PM PDT by dila813
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To: neverdem

I just received the NRA re-up mailing (which I had planned to send back with some choice words) and this only allows me to add some substantive comments to those b*stards as I again tell them to cram it.


16 posted on 06/16/2010 7:37:21 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: neverdem; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...

Survival is job one. Job two is getting rid of each threat to survival, one by one, no matter how long it takes. Thanks neverdem.


17 posted on 06/16/2010 7:39:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: neverdem

The NRA is a gun rights marketing organization. It leaves the heavy lifting to other smaller groups who have more fire in their belly.


26 posted on 06/16/2010 8:00:17 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (WHO ARE YOU??! WHO ARE YOU??! **hiccup**)
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To: neverdem
I will not reenlist in the NRA this next time. I'll send them a letter describing why (the DISCLOSE act, and that torpedoing everyone else's first amendment rights simply does not help us at all).

Too bad, I do like the magazine.

.

28 posted on 06/16/2010 8:20:18 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
FREEP the NRA 1-800-392-8683 or 1-800-672-3888 to drop support for Schumer/Van Hollen HR 5175

Should Ted Kennedy have been allowed to buy a gun?

Handgun measure loses in [NY] Senate - Microstamping of weapons rejected as Bloomberg fails

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30 posted on 06/16/2010 8:22:49 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

The NRA is not being inconsistent with their historic practices here — they’ve ALWAYS been inconsistent on support for the CONSITUTION, and they’ve supported the EXPEDIENT POLITICAL candidate that, at the moment, has a record indicating they support gun rights. Often, that appears to be Democrats, the likes of which are Harry Reid or John Murtha. Give me a break.

Just as many of my naive pro-life friends discovered during the ObamaCare debate earlier this year, there is NO SUCH THING as a pro-life Democrat, so there is NO SUCH THING as a pro-gun Democrat. Unfortunately, the NRA cares more about their political manuevering than about the actual 2nd Amendment and it’s REAL meaning. Otherwise, they COULD NOT support candidates who would choose Nancy Pelosi as House Speaker, orHarry Reid as Senate Majority Leader. Their anti-gun, anti-2nd Amendment agenda DRIVES all the Dems, no matter what.

Please, if you are in the NRA, cancel your membership, demand a refund, and join Gun Owners of America. (GunOwners.org) THEY are for real.


32 posted on 06/16/2010 8:25:42 PM PDT by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: neverdem

Wayne is the problem IMO.


36 posted on 06/16/2010 8:47:05 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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39 posted on 06/16/2010 9:07:18 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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40 posted on 06/16/2010 9:38:22 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: neverdem

The only reliable defender of your gun right is your gun and your willingness to use it against anyone who comes for it.

All else is whining.


42 posted on 06/16/2010 10:50:33 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL OR REBEL! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: neverdem
Does this mean (as the name Disclose suggests) that the source of funds spent to promote a for-or-against position on an issue will be made "public"? I don't have a problem with that.

Not sure what the NRA's exemption means but I use this kind of information, eg. "paid for by SIEU" means defeat at all cost.

One of the biggest problems in a society this large is information dissemination. Without 'perfect' information, flawed decisions result (see Obama, see MSM). The greatest power rests not with the Playas, but with their Promoters. Without a compliant media, this President would have been impeached last year for lack of leadership, or this year for displaying gross incompetence in dealing with an enviornmental disaster.

Imagine China and Russia and the tight controls on information. No wonder they live is such squalor and tyranny. Same with Venezuela and other banana towns where the presidente spends hours blathering on TV saying nothing (which is what our media does too).

Again, not sure what the NRA did wrong be getting an exemption, as I'd love to hear what they have to say on gun issues and would really love to hear their take on the second ammendment, if they had the balls to do it publically.

56 posted on 06/17/2010 6:10:43 PM PDT by budwiesest (It's that girl from Alaska, again.)
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To: neverdem

The NRA’s tribute to Harry Reid can be found in the June 2010 “American Rifleman” magazine, p16, “special feature” article titled “A Real Home on the Range”. It’s special OK. What backroom deal was cut for this subtle endorsement before Dingy’s toughest election?

Now that the DISCLOSE Act was pulled partially because the left hates the NRA enough to make sure they get no benefit, the NRA wants to take credit for it’s defeat! I am totally disgusted and the NRA keeps sending me emails that show they’re clueless.


64 posted on 06/19/2010 10:04:01 AM PDT by chickenlips
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