Posted on 06/16/2010 2:10:27 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
New Russian nuclear submarine will not enter serial production - paper
A fourth-generation Russian nuclear-powered multipurpose attack submarine that was floated out on Tuesday is too expensive for serial production, a business daily said on Wednesday.
On Tuesday, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev arrived in the northern port of Severodvinsk to attend the official float-out ceremony.
The construction of the Severodvinsk, the first Project 885 Yasen (Graney) class submarine, began in 1993 at the Sevmash shipyard in Severodvinsk, but has since been dogged by financial setbacks. Russia planned to float out the submarine on May 7 to mark the 65th anniversary of the victory over Nazi Germany in May 1945.
Russia's Vedomosti daily said the price of the strategic project was kept secret, but the estimated cost reached $1 billion.
Mikhail Barabanov, the editor-in-chief of Moscow Defense Brief magazine, said the submarine's cost was too high to make it viable for serial production.
Barabanov told Vedomosti that the U.S. Navy did not produce a large number of advanced Sea Wolf submarines, similar to the Severodvinsk vessel, since they were too expensive. Instead of these, they use cheaper and unsophisticated Virginia-class submarines.
The expert said the Russian Navy would probably replace the Severodvinsk nuclear submarine with a more affordable analogue. Barabanov said the second Yasen (Graney) class submarine Kazan was the most probable alternative to the Severodvinsk submarine.
Russian experts expect Graney-class submarines to boost the Navy's operational effectiveness and combat capabilities.
Graney-class nuclear submarines are designed to launch a variety of long-range cruise missiles (up to 3,100 miles or 5,000 km), with conventional or nuclear warheads, and effectively engage submarines, surface warships and land-based targets.
The submarine's armament includes 24 cruise missiles and eight torpedo launchers, as well as the mines and anti-ship missiles.
Just like Seawolf.
You couldn’t pay me enough to go on a soviet sub. Especially one that took so long to build.
“Just like Seawolf.”
They probably stole the design. Then built it with drunks.
VIRGINIA Class is hardly “unsophisticated” If the Russians want to think that, well, that’s fine with me.
I mentioned it before reading the article and looks like got it straight. I don’t think the designs have a lot common. It is just about both are too complicated and expensive for navies.
Soviets had a lot of superb designs just before they collapsed in late 80s. Their space shuttle, way superior to the original SS is a good example. Another example is Yak-141 Freestyle a starting point for a F-35 JSF which got all the technology. Falling oil prices and Soviet collapse made the further development impossible.
“Their space shuttle, way superior to the original SS is a good example.”
Their space shuttle never flew. It was built with designs NASA gave them.
First time I’ve seen someone make the argument that Russia is a center for technology innovation.
They are not a center of innovation but it doesn’t about their SS. No one in NASA could give them a plans back to a mid 80s. It had flew either. It was a still a single robotic aircraft developed it’s own flight plan l;anding back on Earth. It was 20+ years ago.
Same about Yak-141. Just compare it to JSF.
Russia wrote a letter to NASA and asked for the plans. It was NASAs policy at the time to provide plans to anyone who asked. That was changed after they realized how stupid that was. Russia’s shuttle was destroyed after the hanger roof collasped on it due to lack of maintenance.
IMO the JSF isn’t that advanced. The F22 is which is probably why it didn’t get more planes.
Well, is JSF advances or not it still Russian technology from the mid-70s. The VSTOL concept etc.
As for their SS i don’t know. May be you are more informed but I do really doubt they could get plans from NASA at a peak of Cold War. What if you provide me with a link or any other source. Especially considering a fact of higher automatic capabilities of Soviet one.
Sorry comrade, perhaps pravda has the information you are looking for.
I’m not a commie so I don’t like if one names me comrade but I’m to forgive you. Do you trust pravda? I’m not about it but if you are to provide me with an certain link I will read. Will you?
Well, it is state of the art but not that much comparing to a Seawolf-class.
‘Do you trust pravda?”
About the same as CNN or MSNBC, which is to say they are all full of propaganda and twisted half truths.
Will I provide a link to what? That Russia stole plans for nearly every military aircraft? That Russia use our design for the space shuttle? Look at them and its easy to see. Look at development dates and the US built them first. Our space shuttle first flew in the early 80’s but was designed in the 70s.
Do you support freedom, free markets, individual rights?
One ping only.
>Do you support freedom, free markets, individual rights?>
Yeah, I do, but it is hardly related to a topic.
As for Pravda it is really a conservative media ciomparing to MSNBC but it barely related either.
As for stolen aircraft designes it is a stereotype with a few facts behing it. B-29 is a single known fact. Soviet SS is a same copy of original one as a F-15 is a copy of Mig-25. Some redneck Russians, just like you do, does believe F-15 is a Mig-25 knock-off and it is a same bs, despite the fact F-15 is highly influenced by the Mig and it’s aerodynamic profile is 90% similar. Same is about JSF etc. Even an Appolo moon program is modeled after a Soviet automated Venus program with a technology taken from a Venus lander landed in US by mistake, but uit still an original Appolo program. Anyway, just imagine Soviets already had an advanced Venus exploring program 40+ years ago and you are calling them non-innovative. At the end the number of borrowings on both sides is similar. I bet there is even more by US for a last two decades.
Just like the Seawolf my arse......much like their T-50 fighter being like the F22 Raptor, huh? Not.
Considering ‘just like’ I mean not a design but a costs and future.
As for T-50 and F22 is doesn’t worth arguing since F22 production like is closed.
Ah..understood.
As for the closure of F22 production...don’t count on it...the next administration in could easily grant further Raptor production especially when F22s are already being tested for remote pilotless flights. The future of the Air Force is unmanned fighters, etc.
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