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BP's Deepwater Oil Spill - Why the Flow Rates are Increasing and Open Thread
The Oil Drum ^ | June 15, 2010 - 5:56pm | Heading Out

Posted on 06/15/2010 10:29:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Tonight the President will talk to the nation about the oil disaster that has been going on in the Gulf of Mexico for over a month. That will likely be the news story of the night, followed by the answers to the five questions that lawmakers have of BP. By that time I will also be starting a daily visit to the National Hurricane Center to see if there are any signs of coming problems. All of which being said, now might be a good time to talk about erosion, how it is changing the Deepwater Horizon well conditions, and why precautions about the flow increasing are probably wise. And I am going to recap bits of an old Tech Talk, as I do so. (It’s partly why they are there.)

To begin with a simple point – fluid (oil and gas) will only move from one place to another if something is pushing it. (Newton’s first law). For the fluid in the reservoir under the Gulf, this force pushing the oil out is the difference in pressure between the oil in the rock, and the pressure in the well. The pressure of the oil in the rock is 12,000 psi. When the well was drilled the pressure of the mud that filled the well was over 13,000 psi and no oil moved into the well. Just before the disaster the fluid in the well was changed from mud to seawater. This lowered the pressure of the fluid in the well below that of the fluid in the rock, a differential pressure now existed, and where there was a passage through which the oil and gas could flow, and they did. The question has always been – how much?

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: bp; deepwterhorizon; oilspill; pilspill
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1 posted on 06/15/2010 10:29:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

So this means the leak will be getting worse, not that BP is lying about the amount being lower than previously told, right?


2 posted on 06/15/2010 10:44:30 PM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I don't know a thing about geology but can an oil well erupt without being drilled? Could this has been an act of nature like a volcanic eruption?

Just a fan of the Beverly Hillbillies in my younger days remembering Jed Klampets oil well eruption and a grocery line reader of the National Enquirer.

3 posted on 06/15/2010 10:54:55 PM PDT by not2worry (WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND)
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To: Freddd

I think you gave me two conclusions there....


4 posted on 06/15/2010 10:55:05 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: not2worry

I think even Jed did something to the ground.


5 posted on 06/15/2010 10:56:32 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

He was shootin’ at some food.


6 posted on 06/15/2010 11:03:47 PM PDT by agooga (Struggling every day to be worthy of their sacrifice.)
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To: Freddd

The figures bandied about in the press are according to the USGS, so no, BP is not lying about the amount of oil being collected.


7 posted on 06/15/2010 11:08:51 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (In 2012: The Rookie and The Wookie get booted from the White House.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It amazes me that the media still holds to the idea that we are running out of oil. Here we are at day 58 and it still coming out of the ground at a VERY high rate. With no sign of letting up.


8 posted on 06/15/2010 11:20:31 PM PDT by Phyto Chems (Protect the border, NOW the government needs to one thing FIRST - CLOSE the Border)
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To: Phyto Chems

Read thru the comments at the Oil Drum...Carter gets good words from some posters.


9 posted on 06/15/2010 11:25:02 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Freddd

Likely the cement in the defective plug in the wellbore is eroding, effecctively opening the choke downhole which was restricting the flow of oil to the surface. Estimating flow without any hard numbers is bad enough, but there is a very good chance the answer has been a moving target anyway. You have to know the right answer to lie about something, and I do not think BP, Obama, or anyone else has been able to give that answer because it has been changing as the well continues to flow.


10 posted on 06/15/2010 11:31:09 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

From the first day, and at every press conference I saw, BP said their well output figure should not be relied on, and accurate figures would be coming from the flow rate group. They gave that disclaimer each time, and they pointed out each time that they weren’t factoring estimated flow into their efforts to stop it. I probably heard them say it 20 times in the first three weeks, and I didn’t see it reported once.

The funnny thing is, now that they’re getting figures they can supposedly use for planning, they keep getting trashed for relying on them because the changing figures do have an impact now that they’re actually able to produce the well.


11 posted on 06/15/2010 11:33:23 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: not2worry
Well, they don't 'erupt' per se, they do seep to the surface (or seabed). Tarballs used to line the beaches in California, it was the offshore production which slowed the seeps due to reduction in the reservoir pressure from producing oil that cut down on the amount of oil naturally seeping from the ocean floor.

In the Beverly Hillbillies, Jed Clampett shot and missed some critter he was hunting, but punched through the last crust of caprock with the bullet "...and up from the ground came a-bubbling crude...".

12 posted on 06/15/2010 11:35:03 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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Was just looking at this:

When CHOPS are not a dinner menu, but for heavy oil production

Might account for the oil production from the well increasing ...

Which perhaps would increase the possible erosion of the various parts of the BOP and wherever else the fluids find an obstruction.

13 posted on 06/15/2010 11:38:00 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Smokin' Joe
An octogenarian friend who used to fish the Santa Barbara Channel says the charts have had oil seepage areas on them since he was a teenager.
14 posted on 06/15/2010 11:38:58 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I liked that show...LOL!


15 posted on 06/15/2010 11:39:26 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Wouldn’t it have been possible to use instrumentation to measure the actual flow?


16 posted on 06/15/2010 11:42:52 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Yep, channeling in the formation could be a factor--and a source for the abrasives. Eventually, if not stopped the wellbore will be scoured of obstructions and the well will flow at capacity.

Thanks for the link!

17 posted on 06/15/2010 11:46:32 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: D-fendr
You have expanding gas, a damaged wellhead (first with a riser and drill pipe, the riser kinked, then without), a likely changing internal BOP geometry, and the plug downhole which did not hold (made of cement) eroding away, opening up the prime constriction in the wellbore.

Even if you could get an accurate measurement today, the numbers would change from day to day as that plug erodes away, so even last week's measurement, were that possible, would be wrong this week.

Keep in mind that BP was designing methods to recover the produced oil early on, but they kept proving to have insufficient capacity for the job, and that makes sense.

No way they'd go to the expense of designing and fabricating a remedy that was knowingly insufficient when it would cost little more to make something to take care of all of the problem.

Especially when every barrel they can recover is one they won't have to pay for later in cleanup costs.

18 posted on 06/15/2010 11:53:05 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Me, too.


19 posted on 06/15/2010 11:53:33 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe; All

Time to shut down here....Nite!


20 posted on 06/15/2010 11:56:05 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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