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To: patlin
I fail to see where you're disagreeing with what I wrote; you're largely paraphrasing it.

But from what little variation there is, it appears that you're reading a lot into that Amendment that isn't there. Former slaves could not have been born on US soil to citizen parents, otherwise the Amendment would not have been necessary and there would have been no slaves.

The 14th in no way dealt with natural-born citizens as a result of this historical fact. It did not and cannot reach back into a time prior to ratification of the Amendment to make citizens parents of those who were not. They became citizens after ratification.

52 posted on 06/13/2010 12:01:02 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
Under the articles of confederation, citizenship & naturalization laws were left up to the states. One of the main reasons for the federal constitution was to uniform citizenship because of the treatment of citizens of one state when traveling to another. The federal constitution did not place race as a factor for US citizenship. The 14th finally clarified US law and that was it. The states could no longer hold race against a person in denying them citizenship in the state. Hence the phrase in the 14th:

are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside

From Beck's show on the black founders:

1768. Wentworth Cheswill, New Hampshire — elected to office in New Hampshire. He was re-elected for the next 49 years, held eight different political positions. A really cool story about him is we know that Paul Revere made his midnight ride. We also know he wasn't the only guy riding that night. The other guy riding, Wentworth Cheswill, black and white riding.

5 years after the passing of the 14th there were 6 black members of congress & one of them was “Speaker of the House”. Half of them were free citizens, such as Cheswill, prior to the ratification of the 14th & the other half had been held as slaves.

IOW, not ALL blacks were slaves prior to the ratification of the 14th Amendment and thus my holding that it did not emancipate the slaves, there was previous legislation for that. The 14th formally made the states recognize them as FREE US Citizens by formally defining US citizenship that was not subject to race, but to being born under the jurisdiction. Subject to the jusrisdiction is the KEY and we need to hammer it home.

The black causus of our current Congress & all their socialist followers don't want this information getting out and good luck finding it through a general search of the internet. According to them, black's didn't gain political respect until 5 years after the 14th was ratified. Nothing could be further from the truth.

55 posted on 06/13/2010 1:46:13 AM PDT by patlin
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